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Old 04-19-2018, 08:41 PM
 
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Well the OP asked which city has reinvented itself and changed its trajectory. Chicago and Pittsburgh cities continue to lose population as now do both of the respective metros. How has Chicago's trajectory changed then if the city continues to lose people? That means more people are leaving than moving-in. Same thing with Pittsburgh.

Pretty much all of the old industrial rust belt cities are adding jobs in diversifying economies. These economies can't be all that reinvented if the middle class is leaving.
How's your new surroundings living in Philly now? Way superior to Cleveland and Chicago.... including housing stock? You never speak of it so wondering why...

Clearly, your aim here is to lessen Chicago. But its clearly transitioning to a higher educated population as did parts of Philly. But hope Philly has been better then your previous cities for ya.
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Old 04-19-2018, 10:34 PM
 
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Of all the Rust-Belt cities, from Iowa to New York, which city, big or small, has done, in your educated opinion, the best job of reinventing itself and turning the trajectory of the city around?

If Gary Indiana is the worst example, then what city would be the best example? Notable runner ups would be welcomed also. I live in a Rust-Belt city, and I see city leaders trying to turn things around, but it's a long, slow, and drawn out process. Share some success stories!

As one of the few...if only forumer that lives in Gary...I take issue with it being the worst example. First of all...it lies within the Chicago metro...heck...we have a six mile beach with stunning views of the Chicago skyline.

There is a lot happening here...reinvention of not just Gary, but TheRegion...is gathering apace.

The forgotten stepchild of both Indiana and Chicagoland is truly the most underrated corner of the nation. You will see.
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Old 04-19-2018, 11:50 PM
 
Location: Edmonds, WA
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As one of the few...if only forumer that lives in Gary...I take issue with it being the worst example. First of all...it lies within the Chicago metro...heck...we have a six mile beach with stunning views of the Chicago skyline.

There is a lot happening here...reinvention of not just Gary, but TheRegion...is gathering apace.

The forgotten stepchild of both Indiana and Chicagoland is truly the most underrated corner of the nation. You will see.
I don’t think he is wrong. You live in Miller, a tiny enclave within Gary that is actually a decent area. You know as I know that the rest of Gary continues to be afflicted with wounds of the past.

I always appreciate your optimism but I don’t actually think that Gary has turned the corner the way Detroit has.
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Old 04-20-2018, 12:03 PM
 
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Gary is just one part of TheRegion and its best to think of it that way. And TheRegion is increasingly working as one to promote itself. And believe it or not, other areas of the city are seeing early stages of rehab/investment, albeit on a small scale.

The Gary/Chicago Airport has also seen major new investment with new hangars, extended runway, and possibly most important, a new customs and immigration facility that is scheduled to open this summer that could spur the current growth in traffic into overdrive.

Gary is a strange place...it is not really a stand alone city along the lines of a Detroit, it is a part of both TheRegion and Chicagoland.
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Old 04-20-2018, 12:15 PM
 
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Its not that old people are moving out its that they're dying faster than young people move in.
It's actually more that old people are dying at a faster rate than children are being born. Pittsburgh actually has one of the highest rates of millennial population growth in the country.

Millennials: See the Top 25 Cities Where They're Moving | Time

When the city hollowed out in the 70s and 80s, Boomers took their Gen X kids with them. That's 40 years of fewer children. Pittsburgh had very few native born millennials because their parents left the city before they could be born. So, while the city has a growing 18-34 population, it isn't big enough to generate child birth numbers that outpace the deaths..
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Old 04-23-2018, 09:50 AM
 
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I guess if population is the only metric you understand.
Yes, there's far more than just population trends going on, although that is one component of a city. It's certainly not a good judge on what's successful if you ignore everything else.

For instance over the past six years according to the latest census data Houston has gained over 200,000 residents and also gained 60,737 households making more than $100,000. Chicago over that period has essentially had a flat population with no overall growth, yet the city gained 85,935 households making more than $100,000. A growth of 25,000 more high income households while being outgained in population by 200,000 people.

Only 10 years ago Chicago had 29.3% of its adult population with a college degree. During the 10 years after than when the city was apparently falling to the wayside with its population slide, the percent of people in the city with a college degree climbed to 38.5%. This increase catapulted it ahead of New York City and saw growth greater than the other largest cities, NYC, LA, Houston, Philadelphia and was more than twice the US average of 4.3% growth.

Chicago has lots of problems, recent population decline among the black population being the main one, but there are still far other things going on in the city.

Looking at the metro areas as a whole, from 2000 to 2016 the Chicago metro area gained a net 260,468 houesholds making more than $100,000. This is more than Houston, Dallas, San Francisco, Washington DC, Boston and Seattle despite them all growing by hundreds and hundreds of thousands of people and Chicago staying flat in population.

Since the metro's GDP recovered from the recession during 2010 and the population growth stalled out the GDP has still grown from $529 billion to $670 billion. That's 26% growth in GDP with a flat population. Per capita GDP is growing very quickly, which would explain the large growth in high income households replacing lower income households which nets out to a zero population change.

Not trying to be a booster, but many people seem to not understand that high population growth isn't the best indicator of health or success. You need to look at the components.

Now in the long run Chicago needs to turn back on the growth, although just the past few years of stalling certainly shouldn't have long term repercussions if they can tee the growth back up in the next few years. It is good to see the metro area adding tens of thousands of jobs per year even with no new people.

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Old 04-24-2018, 11:00 AM
 
Location: Mishawaka, Indiana
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As one of the few...if only forumer that lives in Gary...I take issue with it being the worst example. First of all...it lies within the Chicago metro...heck...we have a six mile beach with stunning views of the Chicago skyline.

There is a lot happening here...reinvention of not just Gary, but TheRegion...is gathering apace.

The forgotten stepchild of both Indiana and Chicagoland is truly the most underrated corner of the nation. You will see.
Share with me the news of Gary's reinvention? I haven't heard of any positive news out of that area for awhile. I know that Black Oak and Miller Beach are two good neighborhoods in Gary, is there anything else good going on there?
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Old 04-24-2018, 11:03 AM
 
Location: Mishawaka, Indiana
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Yes, there's far more than just population trends going on, although that is one component of a city. It's certainly not a good judge on what's successful if you ignore everything else.

For instance over the past six years according to the latest census data Houston has gained over 200,000 residents and also gained 60,737 households making more than $100,000. Chicago over that period has essentially had a flat population with no overall growth, yet the city gained 85,935 households making more than $100,000. A growth of 25,000 more high income households while being outgained in population by 200,000 people.

Only 10 years ago Chicago had 29.3% of its adult population with a college degree. During the 10 years after than when the city was apparently falling to the wayside with its population slide, the percent of people in the city with a college degree climbed to 38.5%. This increase catapulted it ahead of New York City and saw growth greater than the other largest cities, NYC, LA, Houston, Philadelphia and was more than twice the US average of 4.3% growth.

Chicago has lots of problems, recent population decline among the black population being the main one, but there are still far other things going on in the city.

Looking at the metro areas as a whole, from 2000 to 2016 the Chicago metro area gained a net 260,468 houesholds making more than $100,000. This is more than Houston, Dallas, San Francisco, Washington DC, Boston and Seattle despite them all growing by hundreds and hundreds of thousands of people and Chicago staying flat in population.

Since the metro's GDP recovered from the recession during 2010 and the population growth stalled out the GDP has still grown from $529 billion to $670 billion. That's 26% growth in GDP with a flat population. Per capita GDP is growing very quickly, which would explain the large growth in high income households replacing lower income households which nets out to a zero population change.

Not trying to be a booster, but many people seem to not understand that high population growth isn't the best indicator of health or success. You need to look at the components.

Now in the long run Chicago needs to turn back on the growth, although just the past few years of stalling certainly shouldn't have long term repercussions if they can tee the growth back up in the next few years. It is good to see the metro area adding tens of thousands of jobs per year even with no new people.
Very fascinating statistics and data you have shared with us. Is there that much gentrification going on in Chicago? It sounds like the cost of living in the city must be skyrocketing, if that is the case then it is too bad. I remember people used to say that Chicago was reasonably affordable for a big city, now it appears to be in league with Boston, Philly, New York, D.C. and others.
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Old 04-24-2018, 11:05 AM
 
Location: Mishawaka, Indiana
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Gary is just one part of TheRegion and its best to think of it that way. And TheRegion is increasingly working as one to promote itself. And believe it or not, other areas of the city are seeing early stages of rehab/investment, albeit on a small scale.

The Gary/Chicago Airport has also seen major new investment with new hangars, extended runway, and possibly most important, a new customs and immigration facility that is scheduled to open this summer that could spur the current growth in traffic into overdrive.

Gary is a strange place...it is not really a stand alone city along the lines of a Detroit, it is a part of both TheRegion and Chicagoland.
Still no terminal there though, right? It's too bad. I have heard for years that Chicago was looking to expand or build a third airport in the region, because Midway can't expand anymore, O'Hare in its old configuration of runways was maxed out, and the passenger demand for air travel was still increasing. I read recently that they built a new runway at O'hare and are building a new terminal. I wonder if Gary Airport would have been a worthy 3rd airport for the city?
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Old 04-24-2018, 11:24 AM
 
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Very fascinating statistics and data you have shared with us. Is there that much gentrification going on in Chicago? It sounds like the cost of living in the city must be skyrocketing, if that is the case then it is too bad. I remember people used to say that Chicago was reasonably affordable for a big city, now it appears to be in league with Boston, Philly, New York, D.C. and others.
No, Chicago is still a bargain. Real estate compared to NYC, Boston, DC is dirt cheap. It's very similar to Philly in terms of cost.
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