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can you explain further about the demographics leading to population loss for pittsburgh? i still dunno how that's happening. there's many students and some young ppl there and i wonder why they don't stay in pittsburgh
They're beginning to stay. The population of college-educated young adults in Pittsburgh has increased significantly since 2000, even in spite of the overall population declining.
Five years ago, a great many pearls were clutched on the Pittsburgh forum because 17% of the 2013 graduating class at Carnegie Mellon University were staying in Pittsburgh after graduation. That's pathetic, isn't it? Well...no. What was conveniently overlooked was the fact that 15% of that graduating class was from Pennsylvania. Even if you make the unrealistic assumptions that a) every graduating student from Pennsylvania was from the Pittsburgh area, and b) every graduating student from the Pittsburgh area was staying in Pittsburgh after graduation, then Pittsburgh was still coming out ahead. That's called "brain gain," and Pittsburgh has been a brain-gainer since 2000, though many will still try to argue otherwise.
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Lol i forgot Flint...here are Flint's numbers
Per Capita Income
2000-15,733
2016-14,185
Median Home Value
2000-$49,700
2016-$28,200
Poverty Rate-
2000-26.4%
2016-44.5%
Bachelor's Degree:
2000-11.3%
2016 10.5%
Decrease of 6.2%! The only city to decrease in this metric.
All I have to say is YIKES!!!! Flint makes Detroit seem like a dynamic, gentrifying boom town. It really blows all these other cities out of the water in terms of its decline.
It seems like Flint is to Michigan what Johnstown is to Pennsylvania.
They're beginning to stay. The population of college-educated young adults in Pittsburgh has increased significantly since 2000, even in spite of the overall population declining.
Five years ago, a great many pearls were clutched on the Pittsburgh forum because 17% of the 2013 graduating class at Carnegie Mellon University were staying in Pittsburgh after graduation. That's pathetic, isn't it? Well...no. What was conveniently overlooked was the fact that 15% of that graduating class was from Pennsylvania. Even if you make the unrealistic assumptions that a) every graduating student from Pennsylvania was from the Pittsburgh area, and b) every graduating student from the Pittsburgh area was staying in Pittsburgh after graduation, then Pittsburgh was still coming out ahead. That's called "brain gain," and Pittsburgh has been a brain-gainer since 2000, though many will still try to argue otherwise.
It seems like Flint is to Michigan what Johnstown is to Pennsylvania.
How are you guys getting these numbers? I'm trying through fact finder and I still cant get them to match.
Is St Louis even gentrifying/improving it's run down, abandoned neighborhoods? I have not been there in about 15 years.
They suffered a hemorrhage of population loss during this time period, and the city continues to shrink today. I'd say the 2020 population will come out around 290-295k.
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Pittsburgh seems the easy winner because of how un-gentrified the others are, but honestly its not diverse at all.
Hmmm... I'd say Cleveland. Just visited and was surprised at how well Ohio City and Tremont have gentrified. University Circle too.
Do you guys actually know any neighborhoods in St. Louis? I'm serious, because I'm not sure how you could ask these questions if you do...
I've posted standard definitions of "urban" and yet there are posters on this thread who persist in creating their own interpretations of the term without providing any basis for their arguments.
Anybody is entitled to their own opinions, but they are not entitled to their own definitions of words which have generally accepted meanings.
Arguing that Lakewood, OH, is "semi-urban" is simply preposterous. Is Washington, DC, with a similar population density, semi-urban???
DC has substantial areas (the area around the Capitol Mall, Rock Creek Park, much of Navy Yard, etc) with zero residents. And yes, also a lot of neighborhoods - particularly in NW DC - which are pretty much suburban (like Chevy Chase). In contrast, some of the "peak urban" residential portions of DC have densities of over 60,000 ppsm. So in any city (even NYC), you can't really generalize and say the entire city is highly urban in built form. You need to look at things on a neighborhood by neighborhood basis.
Plus several others ongoing current improvements/update (google street view lagging latest changes)
- South Side/Seneca Street - major investments in corridor, new Tesla plant
- East Side-Jefferson/Masten - major investments in corridor near Med Center
- East Side - Fillmore/MLK - major infrastructure and new private investment
- East Side/Highland Park - new development, hundreds of apartments and homes
- Broadway-Fillmore - ongoing influx of South Asian from NYC into neighborhood and district
- Main Street - end to end update, gentrification throughout several neighborhoods
- University - new apartments, retail, conversion of factories to apartments
- West Side/Upper Niagara Street - major investments and conversions new apartments, businesses
- East Side - Northland Corridor development
many more, probably many others I am not aware of.
Friends/family in the development and construction business all say that they have never seen anything like this in their lives, and there is greater demand for new projects than can be met.
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Plus several others ongoing current improvements/update (google street view lagging latest changes)
- South Side/Seneca Street - major investments in corridor, new Tesla plant
- East Side-Jefferson/Masten - major investments in corridor near Med Center
- East Side - Fillmore/MLK - major infrastructure and new private investment
- East Side/Highland Park - new development, hundreds of apartments and homes
- Broadway-Fillmore - ongoing influx of South Asian from NYC into neighborhood and district
- Main Street - end to end update, gentrification throughout several neighborhoods
- University - new apartments, retail, conversion of factories to apartments
- West Side/Upper Niagara Street - major investments and conversions new apartments, businesses
- East Side - Northland Corridor development
many more, probably many others I am not aware of.
Friends/family in the development and construction business all say that they have never seen anything like this in their lives, and there is greater demand for new projects than can be met.
You know, everybody that lives here is saying that exact same thing. Nobody could have predicted what has been happening the last 5 years. I just really hope the momentum continues, especially on the East and West Sides.
^To the last 2 posts, I was listening to some shows on Power 96.5 early last Saturday morning and they were saying that people should hold on to their homes on the East Side, because to paraphrase, the handwriting is on the wall and people appear to be starting to creep over to that side of town. One guy literally said that those that fled to the suburbs should of stayed a little bit longer, because they would have likely gotten more for their homes if they did. So, for those that don’t think that Buffalo isn’t seeing gentrification/revitalization within city limits, you are sleeping, because it is being discussed quite a bit locally.
Do you guys actually know any neighborhoods in St. Louis? I'm serious, because I'm not sure how you could ask these questions if you do...
They googled a couple on streetview lol. That's fine and all but google streetview cannot be used to explore cities. Cities are really explored like Anthony Bourdain did it. RIP.
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Lots of portions of New York City are like this, too. So what?
My grandfather grew up in Brooklyn. His neighborhood, Midwood, has driveways. It actually looks like Lakewood. He's told me as much.
If there's a point you're making here, make it.
I live in Midwood .
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