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It doesn't need 2750 square miles, most of that square milage is not included in the urban area as it's undeveloped, and over 500,000 of that 6.7 is from the neighbouring city of Hamilton which is contiguous with the urbanized part of Halton Region (Burlington and Oakville), which are contiguous with Peel Region (Mississauga and Brampton) which is contiguous with the City of Toronto therefore forming a single urban area. You need to distinguish between what constitutes a metropolitan area in Canada (CMA) and an urban area. The Toronto urban area includes portions of three separate CMAs Toronto-Hamilton-Oshawa). Statcan counts the urban areas of each CMA separately as population centres, but the three are actually a single urban area containing 6.7 million people in less than 900 square miles.
It doesn't need 2750 square miles, most of that square milage is not included in the urban area as it's undeveloped, and over 500,000 of that 6.7 is from the neighbouring city of Hamilton which is contiguous with the urbanized part of Halton Region (Burlington and Oakville), which are contiguous with Peel Region (Mississauga and Brampton) which is contiguous with the City of Toronto therefore forming a single urban area. You need to distinguish between what constitutes a metropolitan area in Canada (CMA) and an urban area. The Toronto urban area includes portions of three separate CMAs Toronto-Hamilton-Oshawa). Statcan counts the urban areas of each CMA separately as population centres, but the three are actually a single urban area containing 6.7 million people in less than 900 square miles.
Are you going to let American cities subtract their forested areas to parks? It isn't nearly as continuous ones forest preserves separate them. You merely are not counting that in. Sure corridors unite it all. They very well might all be in a Toronto CSA if the US criteria and region is used? But it must have the commuting pattern to the main regional core city. You would not get Niagara Falls in a CSA etc. Also the argument on continuous urban built.
But this thread is on transit and it always goes to better city, urban density, claims of pedestrian street-traffic superior etc.
Are you going to let American cities subtract their forested areas to parks? It isn't nearly as continuous ones forest preserves separate them. You merely are not counting that in. Sure corridors unite it all. They very well might all be in a Toronto CSA if the US criteria and region is used? But it must have the commuting pattern to the main regional core city. You would not get Niagara Falls in a CSA etc. Also the argument on continuous urban built.
But this thread is on transit and it always goes to better city, urban density, claims of pedestrian street-traffic superior etc.
Chicago by far. I like Toronto and it has decent transit but Chicago has more lines on the L and Metra. Metra lines also have service on the weekends and at night.
Total: 6,417,516 in 2,750sqmi, or about 2,500sqmi to hit 6.1 million.
Toronto needs 2x(!) the land area to hit the same population as the core counties of Chicago. Don't try to argue that Toronto is denser. The facts are obvious to anyone who isn't a frothing Toronto booster.
You could have bothered to look up Toronto's urban area and population stats before going on another one of your anti-Toronto rants.
The conclusion for the thread is .... that TO building a new subway and other improvements in a fast growing city where more will have to or choose to take transit. Will surpass Chicago's transit offerings, ridership etc. and metro. But yet today.... most are saying can be close, but not there yet.
Once HATERS accusing comes in and nothing they even add and total disregard of stats. That some take the time to post. The thread got lost. I remember all the other Toronto vs threads and same gang minus two or three. I miss ... Mr Burns and another probably on vacation. Same thing happens.
There were other TO vs. threads recently that seem to have disappeared? Not sure much more could be added here that was not said on topic already.
I remember when living in Baltimore how there was an unspoken stigma around people taking buses to work in Inner Harbor. I took the bus for a while but never told my colleagues as all of them drive to work from Baltimore's nicer suburbs.
Yes, true, there is in Baltimore, and public transit is really crummy in most of Baltimore. But there isn't a stigma to PT just down the road in DC, and certainly not in Chicago.
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I just keep some opinions to why I disagree and choose to see all post.
