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Because it's a common tripe on here that Rust Belt cities (particularly Cleveland and Detriot) feel so much bigger than they are because of Urban "Bones"
Because it's a common tripe on here that Rust Belt cities (particularly Cleveland and Detriot) feel so much bigger than they are because of Urban "Bones"
It's no tripe, it's fact. Sorry it it rubs you and some others the wrong way... This is hypersensitive on your part because Cleveland hadn't even entered the discussion.
Many Rust Belt cities were designed to hold a maximum amount of people in a smaller land area. That is why in many cases even with the lack or minimal annexation, urban renewal, family sizes and populations declining, the population density is still higher than many growing city propers.
It's no tripe, it's fact. Sorry it it rubs you and some others the wrong way... This is hypersensitive on your part because Cleveland hadn't even entered the discussion.
It's isn't. They tore down so many abandoned properties in places like St Louis, Detriot and Cleveland that there are places that are "former neighborhoods" that add literally nothing to the city. All 3 of those cities have population Densities in the ~4,900 range.
While the main Drags of those cities (Euclid, Market, Woodward) may feel like they belong in bigger cities they often are often only a few blocks from completely depopulated areas.
Obviously the Hill in St Louis is much more urban than anything of comparable distance from say Uptown Charlotte, but Uptown Charlotte is also ringed with neighborhoods with people in them, it doesn't have a North St Louis that has 1 house left standing on the entire block.
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Many of those older cities still have higher densities though and even in the more abandoned areas, the infrastructure and built form is still in place for development of those spaces.
Many of those older cities still have higher densities though and even in the more abandoned areas, the infrastructure and built form is still in place for development of those spaces.
going to go out on a limb and say
this Detroit Neighborhood
It's isn't. They tore down so many abandoned properties in places like St Louis, Detriot and Cleveland that there are places that are "former neighborhoods" that add literally nothing to the city. All 3 of those cities have population Densities in the ~4,900 range.
While the main Drags of those cities (Euclid, Market, Woodward) may feel like they belong in bigger cities they often are often only a few blocks from completely depopulated areas.
Obviously the Hill in St Louis is much more urban than anything of comparable distance from say Uptown Charlotte, but Uptown Charlotte is also ringed with neighborhoods with people in them, it doesn't have a North St Louis that has 1 house left standing on the entire block.
I can’t speak about Detroit, Cleveland or St. Louis, but cities like Pittsburgh and Milwaukee still have really good urbanity and, yes, bones. Legacy cities have legacy amenities.
I can’t speak about Detroit, Cleveland or St. Louis, but cities like Pittsburgh and Milwaukee still have really good urbanity and, yes, bones. Legacy cities have legacy amenities.
Think about it this way, St Louis lost 200,000 additional people to get where it is today compared to Pittsburgh. And Central Pittsburgh actually does have areas that today have 20k+ppsm, which no other Rust Belt city really has. Milwaukee lost less than 40% of its population which is in the range where neighborhoods really don't deteriorate in a widespread fashion.
Both are +-550sq miles it would be absurd to compare 62sq miles to 305 sq miles.
But yes the fact that swaths of Detriot are 15,000ppsm+ in a city that's ~4,800ppsm lends itself to there also being very not dense areas of Detriot most of which are so because there are entire blocks with 1 or 2 houses on them.
Another example is Detriot vs Atlanta Detriot is 4,800 ppsm Atlanta is 3,650. (In July, 2017) That's hardly an enormous difference, considering a "Dense" city of their metro size And city proper size like Philly is 11,800.
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