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View Poll Results: Most likely state to transition into a new top city replacing its old top city?
Ohio 64 51.61%
North Carolina 24 19.35%
South Carolina 16 12.90%
Alabama 10 8.06%
Missouri 10 8.06%
Voters: 124. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 09-19-2018, 04:15 PM
 
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Cleveland is still below its 2007 (at least in real$) mark which is partially the reason it’s growing so fast it’s still in recovery mode.

Actually Cleveland has fewer jobs today than in 2001.

So it’s not great in the big picture but not exactly dire.
It's GDP growth.

Can't even let poor old Cleveland have 1 day of good news and yet the longer-term (5 year) GDP trend has Cleveland #2 between Columbus and Cincinnati.

I get why you have to share the dark cloud lining news after the ''Cleveland is history'' posting here prior to the GDP release this a.m. lol

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Old 09-19-2018, 06:03 PM
 
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Wonder how the Akron MSA did both 2012-2017, including separately in 2017? You know, that far-flung from Cleveland MSA.

Where exactly is the Cleveland ''collapse'' given the 5 year statistic (2012-2017) and the 5.51% separate 2017 annual growth rate? Cleveland ranked in the top 10 growth rate of all U.S. MSAs.

Cleveland even jumped back to the largest economy in OH.

And, reviewing the data and top growth rate MSAs, it looks like Cleveland has the fastest growing economy in the midwest.

#10 in the U.S. and #1 in the Midwest. Shout out to Grand Rapids #2 and Des Moines #3 for Midwest tops.

Wow, sure sounds like a cesspool of decline in Cleveland.
Akron is up by about 11 percent, from 30 to 38 million, so growing but not at the pace of the Cleveland MSA. Canton, I believe, has only seen slight growth. From like 17 to 18 million.
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Old 09-19-2018, 09:13 PM
 
Location: USA
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In Louisiana Shreveport has been eclipsed by Lafayette as the third largest city and metropolitan area. Shreveport was always third so this is pretty big, Lafayette should continue to out Shreveport in its rear view mirror.
Shreveport 194000
Lafayette 120000

It will take a while for Lafayette to catch up to Shreveport. Yes I know the metro is bigger in Lafayette because of its ability to add parishes (counties) to its metro and rightfully so. But proper populations are still distant. While Shreveport has shrunk, Lafayette has grown but is still too reliant on the oil and gas business. Louisiana as a whole is, unfortunately. Can't seem to shake it off. You probably did yourself a favor moving to Colorado, Annie.
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Old 09-19-2018, 11:22 PM
 
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Akron is up by about 11 percent, from 30 to 38 million, so growing but not at the pace of the Cleveland MSA. Canton, I believe, has only seen slight growth. From like 17 to 18 million.
Thanks for the info.

So the CLE-AKR area is doing quite well with a combined GDP of about $167B
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Old 09-20-2018, 08:23 AM
 
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Back on topic of Paradigm shift.

Columbus has gone from third place in the state to a serious contender for the top spot in Ohio

Cleveland is showing some signs of turn around and Cincinnati is chugging right along.

I see these three metros battling it out, neck and neck for another 5 years and forsee Columbus pulling ahead for GDP and Metro population.

Overall, all the Ohio metros need to step up their game and work together to elevate Ohio.
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Old 09-20-2018, 01:17 PM
 
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Back on topic of Paradigm shift.

Columbus has gone from third place in the state to a serious contender for the top spot in Ohio

Cleveland is showing some signs of turn around and Cincinnati is chugging right along.

I see these three metros battling it out, neck and neck for another 5 years and forsee Columbus pulling ahead for GDP and Metro population.

Overall, all the Ohio metros need to step up their game and work together to elevate Ohio.
True, not only Ohio, the entire midwest region needs to step up its game to elevate the entire region.
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Old 09-26-2018, 06:37 PM
 
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The county bordering Hartford isn’t even in its CSA.

Also if Boston, Philly, Or Baltimore we’re not basically independent cities then they to would have bordering counties not in their MSA.
Trenton seems to have everyplace beat. The edge of its metro area is a little over a half mile from city hall.
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Old 10-05-2018, 01:58 PM
 
Location: In the heights
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I think New York State has an interesting slow-paced race for second after NYC. Obviously, Albany, Buffalo, and Rochester aren’t going to overtake NYC in population size or influence, but among the three of them there’s a close race for 2nd, 3rd, and 4th. Right now, the CSAs have it Buffalo, Rochester, and Albany with each within thousands or tens of thousands with each other, but Albany’s CSA is the fastest growing among them. For MSAs, it’s the same ranking but Albany substantially lower than the other two and the same with population city limits. In all of this, Albany is the smallest but fastest growing, and in the CSA category it’s very close. Albany’s also a state capital so thus can be argued to wield more influence than its size might suggest.
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Old 10-05-2018, 03:04 PM
 
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Columbus has long replaced Cleveland , as top dog of Ohio. And Grand Rapids will replace Detroit soon.
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Old 10-06-2018, 07:36 AM
 
Location: Atlanta metro (Cobb County)
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Columbus has long replaced Cleveland , as top dog of Ohio. And Grand Rapids will replace Detroit soon.
There is zero chance of Grand Rapids catching up to Detroit in either city or metro population for at least half a century. They are in completely different size tiers. Grand Rapids certainly has far less urban blight and is an attractive, growing mid sized city, but it's hardly booming by national standards. In a potential future scenario of climate change and water shortages in the Sunbelt, Michigan is a state likely to benefit greatly in terms of attracting new residents and business, and that will impact both Grand Rapids and Detroit.
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