Vancouver B.C vs Minneapolis (live, best, state, better)

[Be Proud]

Originally Posted by mhays25

Game, set, and match!

I never denied Vancouver was more diverse
Obviously its a lot more diverse.I have no problem admiring that.
However there is no way the culture of Vancouver is diverse in the way that I find more appealing in Minneapolis,
It has nothing to do with numbers and facts but more to do with inclusion.
Minneapolis does this better even with less diversity.

Funny if you break that down in to percentages its still is like less than 1% for many groups so this is more for bragging rights rights which is important to you but not me.
Its great that everyone is represented but how is this even important if only whites are ruling over all this diversity?
But hey congrats, you guys win.
As I pointed out Vancouver like many Canadian cities is more diverse but yet the amount of the majority minority in more aspects of society are lacking comparatively speaking
True diversity is only good if people are included this is always what I mean when I see diversity how it should be.

Vancouver has slightly more Colombians but Minneapolis has a Colombian congress woman.Where are all the minority politicians and leaders in Vancouver?
I suppose everything is Kum ba ya until they start controlling aspect of society

I still prefer Minneapolis(barely) over Vancouver.Vancouver is just not that much of an interesting city for me and for the record,neither is Minneapolis but its better.
The list made no difference in why Vancouver is just not for me.Everything doesnt have to be for everybody

[Natnasci]

Originally Posted by Be Proud

I never denied Vancouver was more diverse
Obviously its a lot more diverse.I have no problem admiring that.
However there is no way the culture of Vancouver is diverse in the way that I find more appealing in Minneapolis,
It has nothing to do with numbers and facts but more to do with inclusion.
Minneapolis does this better even with less diversity.

Funny if you break that down in to percentages its still is like less than 1% for many groups so this is more for bragging rights rights which is important to you but not me.
Its great that everyone is represented but how is this even important if only whites are ruling over all this diversity?
But hey congrats, you guys win.
As I pointed out Vancouver like many Canadian cities is more diverse but yet the amount of the majority minority in more aspects of society are lacking comparatively speaking
True diversity is only good if people are included this is always what I mean when I see diversity how it should be.

Vancouver has slightly more Colombians but Minneapolis has a Colombian congress woman.Where are all the minority politicians and leaders in Vancouver?
I suppose everything is Kum ba ya until they start controlling aspect of society

I still prefer Minneapolis(barely) over Vancouver.Vancouver is just not that much of an interesting city for me and for the record,neither is Minneapolis but its better.
The list made no difference in why Vancouver is just not for me.Everything doesnt have to be for everybody

You were the one that brought diversity into the thread by posting " Id also ad
Diversity-Minneapolis" I'm guessing because you quickly looked at some stats, saw the percentage of white people and leaped to a conclusion.

You also did say "Vancouver is not very diverse either compared to many cities." which has been proven to be false. You now have morphed that into, not YOUR kind of diversity. The ramblings of someone losing an argument.

Inclusion. You are basing this on what? Gut feeling? Hearsay from friends? You haven't lived or even been here, so do explain.

What to you mean Minneapolis has a Colombian congress woman? Don't you mean Minnesota? Patricia Torres Ray? Thought this was city vs city?

In regards to city councillors, you have 13 of which 3 are black, We have 10, and 2 are asian, and one an openly gay man. You have 4 women, compared to us having 5, which is 50 percent. Higher than you. Of course this fluctuates, and am not trying to prove that Vancouver is more progressive in having minorities participate in politics, but to disprove your point that we do not. Simply NOT true.

In other areas of government, minorities, racial and otherwise are very involved. To suggest that minorities are not participating in Vancouver society, is false.

[TwinsFan1975]

My gosh what a stupid discussion from start to finish. But in the interests of playing along, we have two black AND transgender city council members. Top that!

[Natnasci]

Originally Posted by TwinsFan1975

My gosh what a stupid discussion from start to finish. But in the interests of playing along, we have two black AND transgender city council members. Top that!

Stupid, but you're here

[Be Proud]

Originally Posted by Natnasci

You were the one that brought diversity into the thread by posting " Id also ad
Diversity-Minneapolis" I'm guessing because you quickly looked at some stats, saw the percentage of white people and leaped to a conclusion.

You also did say "Vancouver is not very diverse either compared to many cities." which has been proven to be false. You now have morphed that into, not YOUR kind of diversity. The ramblings of someone losing an argument.

Inclusion. You are basing this on what? Gut feeling? Hearsay from friends? You haven't lived or even been here, so do explain.

What to you mean Minneapolis has a Colombian congress woman? Don't you mean Minnesota? Patricia Torres Ray? Thought this was city vs city?

In regards to city councillors, you have 13 of which 3 are black, We have 10, and 2 are asian, and one an openly gay man. You have 4 women, compared to us having 5, which is 50 percent. Higher than you. Of course this fluctuates, and am not trying to prove that Vancouver is more progressive in having minorities participate in politics, but to disprove your point that we do not. Simply NOT true.

In other areas of government, minorities, racial and otherwise are very involved. To suggest that minorities are not participating in Vancouver society, is false.

Diversity ion race/nationality Vancouver wins. Yes technically in that regard,Vancouver is diverse and wins this argument but race and nationality are one component of race and even still if you look at the numbers they are extremely low for anything that is not from Asia or Western countries.
Sure looking at this list overall seems very extensive but what are the chances of you meeting a person from a country with only 100[people from a country in a city of over 2 million?

I got my opinions of Vancouver from a combination of friends,news an videos.Every thing I see and hear about Vancouver is basically white or Asian.

I already explained about inclusion.All those races and nationalities yet you have 2 Asians out of an almost majority minority?
I'ts really not a big deal but its so annoying when so many people tout diversity but cant see how that diversity does not reflect in how people are important to the fabric of Society.

Two Asians one white openly gay man in a city with a almost majority minority population and you think that is good enough?Well so be it,but disagree.


You can Google Minneapolis news and society and you will see such of the same as you do in Vancouver,a(an a large white population) but you will also hear about people of different races and cultures in day to day aspects of city life.

This is why I mentioned Ray Torres who was a city official from Minneapolis who represents districts that include Minneapolis-St.Paul,but its interesting how you bring her up but ignore what I wrote about having a female black mayor and a current black male mayor of St.Paul which happens to be well over 85% white

This pattern has been constant throughout this thread.

Again I am NOT from Minnesota or Minneapolis.I have never lived there and do not want too EVER.I simply have my preference and Vancouver for what it offers is not it

[Be Proud]

So I will restate my reasoning why Vancouver appeals much less to me.I dont intend for this to be insulting as I do acknowledge why SOO many people prefer Vancouver.These are just what I like.

My biggest issue with Vancouver is that it just seems boring. Im not saying it is but has to appeal to me and nothing on here or elsewhereI have read or heard makes me want to take a special trip.

Im not a nature person so that is nice to look at but just not something I look for when I travel.It is an added bonus as it does make the setting of the built environment that much nicer as far as aesthetics but that a small competent to enjoying your visit.

Nightlife is an issue for me.
Im not a heavy party person but I do love casual socializing scene when I hang out it is kinda eclectic. I like upscale hip hp lounges,House music venues(not EDM),Jazz/R and B lounges,and your mainstream places as well although Im more picky about those types.
I love music and have grown up performing so the type music I like is important for me to easily find.It very easy to do that in Minneapolis.
I tend to like "musical or creative " cities better.
Nashville,Atlanta,NYC,Chicago,New Orleans,Seattle,Berlin,Paris,Barcelona,Kingston ,Havana,Munich(classical music history),etc

History and culture
Every city has their own versions but not every city sells theirs that well.Vancouver does not.Neither of these cities d bt Minneapolis does slightly better.Mainly because of football and Prince.
Not much after that but ask most people about Vancouver,you will get a blank stare.
Sure I can do research and find that before hand but usually these things stand out long before you decide to go.
Take for instance Montreal.It always interested me well before I first went.Same was true for Toronto on a lesser extent.Ditto for Chicago,Venice,Johannesburg even a place like Santa Fe.
All these cities have things that draws people to easily.

Activities like professional sports team
MNSP has Hockey,Football,Basketball,Soccer,Baseball
Vancouver has Soccer,Hockey and CFL football

I could also add U of M football,A stadium that seats over 50,000 is not something to easily dismiss even if its not professional

Vancouver is too dense for me and for no reason that makes my visitor experience worthwhile.It just makes the city more expensive to even visit or want to.
Density is good but there is a point where it becomes more than enough.

So sorry if you guys dont like what you hear.Nothing anyone has said makes me interested in what Vancouver has.
So while it may be really diverse in ways that show well by facts its diversity is heavy handed by two sides mainly which may be fine for some of you but for me it simply is not good enough.Especially when the more important things to me are lacking as well.

[Vincent_Adultman]

Originally Posted by Facts Kill Rhetoric

Navy Blue = Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA ahead

Dark Red = Vancouver CMA ahead

Sea Green = Tie

These are by ethnic groups. It's pretty obvious which city is more truly diverse ethnically from cultures around the world for those that were unaware of it already.

Afghan:
- Vancouver CMA: 7,500
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: 113

Afrikaner:
- Vancouver CMA: 365
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: Data not available

Akan:
- Vancouver CMA: 30
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: Data not available

Albanian:
- Vancouver CMA: 1,330
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: 247

Algerian:
- Vancouver CMA: 615
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: Data not available

Alsatian:
- Vancouver CMA: 115
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: 0

Amhara:
- Vancouver CMA: 115
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: Data not available

Angolan:
- Vancouver CMA: 55
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: Data not available

Antiguan:
- Vancouver CMA: 130
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: Data not available

Arab:
- Vancouver CMA: 4,655
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: 880

Arawak:
- Vancouver CMA: 55
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: Data not available

Armenian:
- Vancouver CMA: 2,845
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: 290

Argentine:
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: 2,233
- Vancouver CMA: 1,360

Ashanti:
- Vancouver CMA: 65
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: Data not available

Assyrian:
- Vancouver CMA: 450
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: 128

Australian:
- Vancouver CMA: 8,360
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: 624

Austrian:
- Vancouver CMA: 21,260
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: 2,405

Azerbaijani:
- Vancouver CMA: 890
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: Data not available

Bahamian:
- Vancouver CMA: 160
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: 0

Bangladeshi:
- Vancouver CMA: 1,510
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: Data not available

Bantu:
- Vancouver CMA: 235
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: Data not available

Barbadian:
- Vancouver CMA: 1,310
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: 351

Basque:
- Vancouver CMA: 475
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: 0

Bavarian:
- Vancouver CMA: 80
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: Data not available

Belgian:
- Vancouver CMA: 8,205
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: 1,025

Belizean:
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: 60
- Vancouver CMA: 35

Beninese:
- Vancouver CMA: 30
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: Data not available

Berber:
- Vancouver CMA: 185
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: Data not available

Bermudan:
- Vancouver CMA: 155
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: 0

Bhutanese:
- Vancouver CMA: 100
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: Data not available

Bolivian:
- Vancouver CMA: 185
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: 160

Bosnian:
- Vancouver CMA: 2,675
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: Data not available

Brazilian:
- Vancouver CMA: 4,065
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: 877

Breton:
- Vancouver CMA: 45
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: Data not available

British:
- Vancouver CMA: 55,695
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: 6,301

British West Indian:
- Vancouver CMA: 1,440
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: 165

Bulgarian:
- Vancouver CMA: 2,940
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: 342

Burkinabe:
- Vancouver CMA: 20
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: Data not available

Burmese:
- Vancouver CMA: 1,970
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: Data not available

Burundian:
- Vancouver CMA: 195
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: Data not available

Byelorussian:
- Vancouver CMA: 1,825
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: Data not available

Cajun/Carib:
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: 577
- Vancouver CMA: 60

Cambodian:
- Vancouver CMA: 2,510
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: Data not available

Cameroonian:
- Vancouver CMA: 85
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: Data not available

Cape Verdean:
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: 0
- Vancouver CMA: Data not available

Carpatho Rusyn:
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: 191
- Vancouver CMA: Data not available

Catalan:
- Vancouver CMA: 65
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: Data not available

Chadian:
- Vancouver CMA: 10
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: Data not available

Chilean:
- Vancouver CMA: 3,840
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: 744

Chinese:
- Vancouver CMA: 499,175 (not including the Taiwanese; they are done separately)
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: 26,089 (including Taiwanese)

Colombian:
- Vancouver CMA: 4,600
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: 3,807

Congolese:
- Vancouver CMA: 675
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: Data not available

Coptic:
- Vancouver CMA: 120
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: Data not available

Cornish:
- Vancouver CMA: 245
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: Data not available

Corsican:
- Vancouver CMA: 75
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: Data not available

Costa Rican:
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: 694
- Vancouver CMA: 460

Croatian:
- Vancouver CMA: 15,670
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: 625

Cuban:
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: 3,908
- Vancouver CMA: 870

Cypriot:
- Vancouver CMA: 345
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: 0

Czech:
- Vancouver CMA: 11,710
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: 11,148

Czechoslovakian:
- Vancouver CMA: 2,560
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: 2,519


Danish:
- Vancouver CMA: 23,025
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: 7,402

Dinka:
- Vancouver CMA: 15
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: Data not available

Dominican (Dominican Republic):
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: 1,882
- Vancouver CMA: 535

Dutch:
- Vancouver CMA: 77,635
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: 10,590

Ecuadorian:
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: 12,099
- Vancouver CMA: 740

Edo:
- Vancouver CMA: 60
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: Data not available

Egyptian:
- Vancouver CMA: 3,405
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: 1,964

English:
- Vancouver CMA: 470,340
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: 29,469

Eritrean:
- Vancouver CMA: 950
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: Data not available

Estonian:
- Vancouver CMA: 2,540
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: 131

Ethiopian:
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: 24,277
- Vancouver CMA: 2,020

Ewe:
- Vancouver CMA: 55
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: Data not available

Fijian:
- Vancouver CMA: 13,085
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: Data not available

Filipino:
- Vancouver CMA: 133,925
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: 9,743

Finnish:
- Vancouver CMA: 14,085
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: 13,445

Flemish:
- Vancouver CMA: 955
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: Data not available

French:
- Vancouver CMA: 147,715
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: 9,000

Frisian:
- Vancouver CMA: 195
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: Data not available

Gabonese:
- Vancouver CMA: 10
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: Data not available

Gambian:
- Vancouver CMA: 20
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: Data not available

Georgian:
- Vancouver CMA: 550
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: Data not available

German:
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: 298,573
- Vancouver CMA: 222,025

Ghanian:
- Vancouver CMA: 1,270
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: 270

Greek:
- Vancouver CMA: 16,085
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: 2,843

Grenadian:
- Vancouver CMA: 280
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: Data not available

Guadeloupean:
- Vancouver CMA: 10
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: Data not available

Guatemalan:
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: 6,705
- Vancouver CMA: 1,985

Guinean:
- Vancouver CMA: 125
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: Data not available

Guyanese:
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: 2,019
- Vancouver CMA: 1,240

Haitian:
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: 1,520
- Vancouver CMA: 635

Hazara:
- Vancouver CMA: 55
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: Data not available

Honduran:
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: 2,926
- Vancouver CMA: 1,120

Hungarian:
- Vancouver CMA: 25,860
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: 1,779

Ibo:
- Vancouver CMA: 200
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: Data not available

Icelander:
- Vancouver CMA: 11,055
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: 451

Indian:
- Vancouver CMA: 275,010
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: 41,676

Indonesian:
- Vancouver CMA: 4,935
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: Data not available

Iranian:
- Vancouver CMA: 44,355
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: 1,145

Iraqi:
- Vancouver CMA: 5,205
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: 873

Irish:
- Vancouver CMA: 275,355
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: 59,013

Israeli:
- Vancouver CMA: 2,075
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: 184

Italian:
- Vancouver CMA: 87,875
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: 17,787

Ivorian:
- Vancouver CMA: 45
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: Data not available

Jamaican:
- Vancouver CMA: 6,455
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: 1,179

Japanese:
- Vancouver CMA: 37,630
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: 4,657

Jordanian:
- Vancouver CMA: 585
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: 331

Kazakh:
- Vancouver CMA: 275
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: Data not available

Kenyan:
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: 2,245
- Vancouver CMA: 1,170

Kittitian/Nevisian:
- Vancouver CMA: 95
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: Data not available

Kosovar:
- Vancouver CMA: 170
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: Data not available

Kurd:
- Vancouver CMA: 1,980
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: Data not available

Kuwaiti:
- Vancouver CMA: 100
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: Data not available

Kyrgyz:
- Vancouver CMA: 155
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: Data not available

Laotian:
- Vancouver CMA: 1,775
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: Data not available

Latvian:
- Vancouver CMA: 2,455
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: 569

Lebanese:
- Vancouver CMA: 5,320
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: 2,018

Liberian:
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: 11,815
- Vancouver CMA: 205

Libyan:
- Vancouver CMA: 210
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: Data not available

Lithuanian:
- Vancouver CMA: 4,155
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: 923

Luxemburger:
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: 893
- Vancouver CMA: 330

Macedonian:
- Vancouver CMA: 865
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: 0

Malagasy:
- Vancouver CMA: 80
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: Data not available

Malaysian:
- Vancouver CMA: 4,230
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: Data not available

Malian:
- Vancouver CMA: 20
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: Data not available

Malinké:
- Vancouver CMA: 10
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: Data not available

Maltese:
- Vancouver CMA: 1,185
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: 90

Manx:
- Vancouver CMA: 770
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: Data not available

Martinican:
- Vancouver CMA: 20
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: Data not available

Maure:
- Vancouver CMA: 105
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: Data not available

Mauritian:
- Vancouver CMA: 760
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: Data not available

Mexican:
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: 142,765
- Vancouver CMA: 15,115

Moldovan:
- Vancouver CMA: 720
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: Data not available

Mongolian:
- Vancouver CMA: 1,000
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: Data not available

Montenegrin:
- Vancouver CMA: 600
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: Data not available

Montserratan:
- Vancouver CMA: 15
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: Data not available

Moroccan:
- Vancouver CMA: 1,480
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: 1,321

Nepali:
- Vancouver CMA: 1,155
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: Data not available

New Zealand:
- Vancouver CMA: 3,340
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: 9

Nicaraguan:
- Vancouver CMA: 1,060
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: 959

Nigerian:
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: 5,731
- Vancouver CMA: 1,680

Norwegian:
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: 104,614
- Vancouver CMA: 49,335

Oromo:
- Vancouver CMA: 120
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: Data not available

Pakistani:
- Vancouver CMA: 10,855
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: Data not available

Palestinian:
- Vancouver CMA: 2,245
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: 677

Panamanian:
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: 733
- Vancouver CMA: 195

Paraguayan:
- Vancouver CMA: 285
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: 129

Pashtun:
- Vancouver CMA: 325
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: Data not available

Peruvian:
- Vancouver CMA: 3,100
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: 1,291

Peulh:
- Vancouver CMA: 20
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: Data not available

Polish:
- Vancouver CMA: 70,590
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: 28,552

Portuguese:
- Vancouver CMA: 24,575
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: 712

Polynesian:
- Vancouver CMA: 345
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: Data not available

Puerto Rican:
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: 12,073
- Vancouver CMA: 280

Romanian:
- Vancouver CMA: 17,490
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: 1,679

Russian:
- Vancouver CMA: 58,535
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: 10,027

Rwandan:
- Vancouver CMA: 305
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: Data not available

Saint Lucian:
- Vancouver CMA: 115
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: Data not available

Salvadoran:
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: 8,348
- Vancouver CMA: 5,310

Saudi Arabian:
- Vancouver CMA: 550
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: Data not available

Scandinavian:
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: 31,247
- Vancouver CMA: Data not available

Scottish:
- Vancouver CMA: 341,075
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: 6,924

Serbian:
- Vancouver CMA: 10,160
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: 649

Senegalese:
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: 198
- Vancouver CMA: 45

Seychellois:
- Vancouver CMA: 15
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: Data not available

Sicilian:
- Vancouver CMA: 210
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: Data not available

Sierra Leonian:
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: 472
- Vancouver CMA: 90

Singaporean:
- Vancouver CMA: 895
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: Data not available

Slavic:
- Vancouver CMA: 505
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: 283

Slovak:
- Vancouver CMA: 6,345
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: 1,111

Slovene:
- Vancouver CMA: 3,050
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: 815

Somali:
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: 50,196
- Vancouver CMA: 2,105

South Africa:
- Vancouver CMA: 6,485
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: 287

South Korean:
- Vancouver CMA: 55,505
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: 14,557

Spaniard (Spain):
- Vancouver CMA: 43,990
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: 2,353

Sri Lankan:
- Vancouver CMA: 5,065
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: Data not available

Sudanese:
- Vancouver CMA: 940
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: 480

Swedish:
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: 52,382
- Vancouver CMA: 40,690

Swiss:
- Vancouver CMA: 11,340
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: 1,356

Syrian:
- Vancouver CMA: 2,780
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: 415

Taiwanese:
- Vancouver CMA: 20,345
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: Data not available

Tajik:
- Vancouver CMA: 240
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: Data not available

Tanzanian:
- Vancouver CMA: 425
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: Data not available

Tatar:
- Vancouver CMA: 650
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: Data not available

Thai:
- Vancouver CMA: 3,330
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: Data not available

Tibetan:
- Vancouver CMA: 445
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: Data not available

Tigrian:
- Vancouver CMA: 180
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: Data not available

Togolese:
- Vancouver CMA: 80
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: Data not available

Trinidadian and Tobagonian:
- Vancouver CMA: 3,120
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: 729

Tunisian:
- Vancouver CMA: 380
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: Data not available

Turkish:
- Vancouver CMA: 5,185
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: 1,431

Ugandan:
- Vancouver CMA: 595
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: 123

Uighur:
- Vancouver CMA: 100
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: Data not available

Ukrainian:
- Vancouver CMA: 94,400
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: 6,029

Uruguayan:
- Vancouver CMA: 285
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: 61

Uzbek:
- Vancouver CMA: 245
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: Data not available

Venezuelan:
- Vancouver CMA: 1,555
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: 1,216

Vietnamese:
- Vancouver CMA: 34,915
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: 21,123

Vincentian:
- Vancouver CMA: 325
- Data not available

Welsh:
- Vancouver CMA: 44,935
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: 1,434

Yemeni:
- Vancouver CMA: 255
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: Data not available

Yoruba:
- Vancouver CMA: 130
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: Data not available

Yugoslavian:
- Vancouver CMA: 3,275
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: 2,506

Zambian:
- Vancouver CMA: 120
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: Data not available

Zimbabwean:
- Vancouver CMA: 565
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: 72

Zulu:
- Vancouver CMA: 65
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: Data not available

Of the six world realms, Vancouver definitively takes Asia, Europe, and Oceania. Minneapolis/Saint Paul definitively takes North America. They both split Africa; Vancouver takes everything in the Arab world of Africa, so pretty much all of the northern half of the continent, after that point the rest of the continent is a scattershot sometimes going in Vancouver's direction and other times in Minneapolis' direction. Vancouver has the presence of several African groups that don't exist in Minneapolis/Saint Paul (i.e. see the "Data not available" places). I'm still not sure how to call South America yet as both places seem to take enough out of the other. So we'll see on that one later on.

Vancouver CMA: https://www12.statcan.gc.ca/census-r...origin&TABID=1

Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/...es/index.xhtml

This post really lives up to your screen name - nice work.

[OyCrumbler]

Originally Posted by Vincent_Adultman

This post really lives up to your screen name - nice work.

The general arc is right, but there are a lot of cateogries where data was not available for the twin cities so it went by default to Vancouver.

[OyCrumbler]

Originally Posted by Be Proud

So I will restate my reasoning why Vancouver appeals much less to me.I dont intend for this to be insulting as I do acknowledge why SOO many people prefer Vancouver.These are just what I like.

My biggest issue with Vancouver is that it just seems boring. Im not saying it is but has to appeal to me and nothing on here or elsewhereI have read or heard makes me want to take a special trip.

Im not a nature person so that is nice to look at but just not something I look for when I travel.It is an added bonus as it does make the setting of the built environment that much nicer as far as aesthetics but that a small competent to enjoying your visit.

Nightlife is an issue for me.
Im not a heavy party person but I do love casual socializing scene when I hang out it is kinda eclectic. I like upscale hip hp lounges,House music venues(not EDM),Jazz/R and B lounges,and your mainstream places as well although Im more picky about those types.
I love music and have grown up performing so the type music I like is important for me to easily find.It very easy to do that in Minneapolis.
I tend to like "musical or creative " cities better.
Nashville,Atlanta,NYC,Chicago,New Orleans,Seattle,Berlin,Paris,Barcelona,Kingston ,Havana,Munich(classical music history),etc

History and culture
Every city has their own versions but not every city sells theirs that well.Vancouver does not.Neither of these cities d bt Minneapolis does slightly better.Mainly because of football and Prince.
Not much after that but ask most people about Vancouver,you will get a blank stare.
Sure I can do research and find that before hand but usually these things stand out long before you decide to go.
Take for instance Montreal.It always interested me well before I first went.Same was true for Toronto on a lesser extent.Ditto for Chicago,Venice,Johannesburg even a place like Santa Fe.
All these cities have things that draws people to easily.

Activities like professional sports team
MNSP has Hockey,Football,Basketball,Soccer,Baseball
Vancouver has Soccer,Hockey and CFL football

I could also add U of M football,A stadium that seats over 50,000 is not something to easily dismiss even if its not professional

Vancouver is too dense for me and for no reason that makes my visitor experience worthwhile.It just makes the city more expensive to even visit or want to.
Density is good but there is a point where it becomes more than enough.

So sorry if you guys dont like what you hear.Nothing anyone has said makes me interested in what Vancouver has.
So while it may be really diverse in ways that show well by facts its diversity is heavy handed by two sides mainly which may be fine for some of you but for me it simply is not good enough.Especially when the more important things to me are lacking as well.

No one’s going to argue with you that you personally find one place more boring than another. One thing they might ask is if you’ve actually spent a significant amount of time in both places.

[Vincent_Adultman]

Originally Posted by OyCrumbler

The general arc is right, but there are a lot of cateogries where data was not available for the twin cities so it went by default to Vancouver.

By my count it’s still about 4 to 1 in Vancouver’s favor even if you remove the ones where data isn’t available for one of the cities