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Atlanta entertainment doesn’t register in Houston or Dallas?
I agree with cities becoming less dominant. NYC was super dominant on the east coast when I was younger. It’s still the alpha, but not as unique maybe as it used to be. Same for LA. A good argument could be made that SF/San Jose is more important these days.
Well entertainment yeah but that's pretty much nationwide as Atlanta has a pull even up to NYC in entertainment. However, economically and socially, Atlanta isn't on the radar in Texas.
Atlanta, Los Angeles, NY, Chicago by defalt easily...That's just a regional thing plain and simple and a lot has to do with airports, mainly in the Atlanta case because it's not in the ranks or as large as the other 3...
That isn't quite true.
Atlanta is hemmed in by Charlotte, Jacksonville, Montgomery, Birmingham, Nashville which is closer than you think. Atlants sphere of influence does not pass any of these cities and these cities are just as close to Atl as Any big city to Houston or Dallas
We can agree to disagree as we obviously have VERY different concepts of spheres of influence.
Even if we ignore whatever sphere outside of the South, it is important to remember that the states of Texas, Oklahoma, Arkansas, and Louisiana, states which are partially within the sphere of DFW and/or Houston, are just as much part of the "South" as Georgia, the Carolinas, Tennessee, Alabama, and Florida are.
Really? Then why is there so much debate about whether TX and OK are really the South or not? If that's the case, let's throw DC and Baltimore in contention for the South too.
We can agree to disagree as we obviously have VERY different concepts of spheres of influence.
Naw I don't think so.
It would be more honest of you to just admit you didn't think the influence of these cities were similar. You clearly stated that your definition was distance before you get to a sizable/ peer city. Now that I posted evidence you are changing your tune. I thought you were one of the more honest ones. You seem to be from what I gather, knowledgeable about the South but moreso the Eastern portion. You weigh your opinions slightly to the southeast but not squarely to Atlanta. The smaller metros posters are more hostile to Atlanta, you usually don't have anything to prove. Seem educated but not as competitive as the research triangle.I am tempted to say Southern Virginia but that is too far. My bet is Charlotte. Are you from there?
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Too many rum & cokes and childish. Sorry for the poor behavior.
Really surprised to see still with your posting privileges
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Really? Then why is there so much debate about whether TX and OK are really the South or not? If that's the case, let's throw DC and Baltimore in contention for the South too.
Marketing. We are a consumer society.
If we have everyone go out saying things like capital of the South, or Paris or New York of the South pretty soon everyone is going to be repeating it.
Do you really believe Elvis was the King of Rock and Roll?
Naw I don't think so.
It would be more honest of you to just admit you didn't think the influence of these cities were similar. You clearly stated that your definition was distance before you get to a sizable/ peer city. Now that I posted evidence you are changing your tune. I thought you were one of the more honest ones. You seem to be from what I gather, knowledgeable about the South but moreso the Eastern portion. You weigh your opinions slightly to the southeast but not squarely to Atlanta. The smaller metros posters are more hostile to Atlanta, you usually don't have anything to prove. Seem educated but not as competitive as the research triangle.I am tempted to say Southern Virginia but that is too far. My bet is Charlotte. Are you from there?
You have posted no evidence at all; none of the cities you posted have metros of 6 million but you consider them peers of Atlanta. When you threw Montgomery into the mix as a city that "hems" Atlanta in, it was more than evident that we simply don't see things the same way, especially given the fact that you said Dallas is devoid of large cities in every direction and you completely omitted OKC but somehow Montgomery gets mentioned for Atlanta. Now I believe that a smaller city can have its own sphere of influence but still be within the sphere of influence of a larger city and this is a sentiment you don't seem to share. So no there's nothing to "admit" on my part.
And for the record, I'm originally from rural SC and have lived in Charlotte, Atlanta, South Jersey (right across the river from Philly), and just outside of DC and have done my fair share of traveling in each of those regions for various reasons so I'd say I've got a pretty good idea for how the whole spheres of influence thing works.
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Marketing. We are a consumer society.
If we have everyone go out saying things like capital of the South, or Paris or New York of the South pretty soon everyone is going to be repeating it.
Yeah see I disagree with that as there are legitimate ways in which places like TX and OK diverge from the (rest of the) South in the areas of history, demographics, culture, etc. and those are the based upon which people make their arguments. You fail to account for the realities upon which "marketing" is based, and I don't even know of any kind of marketing campaigns or gimmicks that have anything to do with the dubiousness of TX's and OK's Southernness anyway.
We simply have different perspectives and are probably at an impasse which is why I'm simply agreeing to disagree but feel free to think you've "won" if you makes you feel better.
Really? Then why is there so much debate about whether TX and OK are really the South or not? If that's the case, let's throw DC and Baltimore in contention for the South too.
Yes, really. Especially if we are dividing the nation into the four categories in the OP.
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Really? Then why is there so much debate about whether TX and OK are really the South or not? If that's the case, let's throw DC and Baltimore in contention for the South too.
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