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Indy has all the same things STL and KCMO do in the OP. You can debate whether Fountain Square or The Hill is more vibrant if you want, but it is not as though Indy is devoid of culture and walkable neighborhoods.
I think the main difference is that St. Louis just has way more traditionally urban walkable neighborhoods, but that's mainly because St. Louis was just a much larger city than both KC and Indy in the pre-automobile era. I mean the Hill is not even in the top 10 as far as densest residential areas in St. Louis, despite it probably being denser than Fountain Square and much further from it's respective city center.
I think the main difference is that St. Louis just has way more traditionally urban walkable neighborhoods, but that's mainly because St. Louis was just a much larger city than both KC and Indy in the pre-automobile era. I mean the Hill is not even in the top 10 as far as densest residential areas in St. Louis, despite it probably being denser than Fountain Square and much further from it's respective city center.
Yeah, Indy doesn't have anything close to the urban, walkable neighborhoods that St. Louis has. These developments will be exciting for the area.
I think the main difference is that St. Louis just has way more traditionally urban walkable neighborhoods, but that's mainly because St. Louis was just a much larger city than both KC and Indy in the pre-automobile era. I mean the Hill is not even in the top 10 as far as densest residential areas in St. Louis, despite it probably being denser than Fountain Square and much further from it's respective city center.
According to this website, Fountain Square is about 5600 people per square mile vs the Hill at 3100.
A soccer stadium is a reach for the purpose of this thread. Indy, KC, and STL all have an assortment of sports stadiums. A new stadium seems like a wasteful expenditure considering the dome lost the Rams and there is no primary sports tenant on the level of an NFL franchise? Regardless, sports stadiums almost never deliver on promises of nearby development. STL has been trying to prop up Ballpark Village for over a decade now, and despite being adjacent to Busch Stadium, is only just now looking like an actual village or sorts per the linked article.
A soccer stadium is a reach for the purpose of this thread. Indy, KC, and STL all have an assortment of sports stadiums. A new stadium seems like a wasteful expenditure considering the dome lost the Rams and there is no primary sports tenant on the level of an NFL franchise? Regardless, sports stadiums almost never deliver on promises of nearby development. STL has been trying to prop up Ballpark Village for over a decade now, and despite being adjacent to Busch Stadium, is only just now looking like an actual village or sorts per the linked article.
There is a huge amount of development in many cities now. The cities mentioned in this thread are not lacking in that category.
Driving the I64 between Clayton and DT St. Louis especially Kingshighway to the river feels very dense and will give a feeling of a large urban city more so than Indianapolis or Kansas City.
As I've written before and what many others have, OP couldn't go wrong with either choice. St Louis does have a slight up in the urban experience category because of walkability, LRT and built environment.
“Urban” in Indianapolis is equivalent to Brentwood (a suburb of St Louis). Typical urban neighborhoods in KC are equivalent to Maplewood (an inner-ring suburb of St. Louis).
Thanks everyone, for the useful information. I've read through all of the replies and it seems that St Louis has the most of what I want. Here's how I have the cities ranked so far:
St Louis
Kcmo/Indy (Tie)
Cincinnati/Cleveland (Tie)
But really, these cities are so close that I may just end up leaving it to chance.
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