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I disagree. St. Louis is a larger Memphis mixed with some Chicago characteristics. I don't think you can make the argument that St. Louis has a brighter future than Detroit. Detroit has a larger economy and higher ranking among the GaWC. St. Louis is in the bottom Gamma cities while Detroit is a Gamma + city.
Interesting you mentioned this.
I was in Nashville this past weekend and met a young man who said the same thing about the Memphis St. Louis comparison. Having lived in both cities, I can't see the similarities other than the blues, bbq and Mississippi river thing. Culturally, economically and stability tells a totally different story. Many Tennesseans who don't have experience of daily living in St. Louis or any other midwestern city don't have an accurate assessment of St. Louis
Detroit I guess is my new pet city. I think the future is bright or rather I hope that it is bright. St. Louis is closer to having a bright future with a little planning. Detroit is more of a world class city but St. Louis is in better shape as far as quality of life goes. I would admit I know very little about Detroit suburbs.
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I was in Nashville this past weekend and met a young man who said the same thing about the Memphis St. Louis comparison. Having lived in both cities, I can't see the similarities other than the blues, bbq and Mississippi river thing. Culturally, economically and stability tells a totally different story. Many Tennesseans who don't have experience of daily living in St. Louis or any other midwestern city don't have an accurate assessment of St. Louis
Detroit I guess is my new pet city. I think the future is bright or rather I hope that it is bright. St. Louis is closer to having a bright future with a little planning. Detroit is more of a world class city but St. Louis is in better shape as far as quality of life goes. I would admit I know very little about Detroit suburbs.
Detroit, if anything, is known for its upscale suburbs and suburbs with many downtown areas such as:
Columbus, Minneapolis, Kansas City, Madison, and Indianapolis all look like they have bright futures.
Detroit, Cleveland, Dayton, and St Louis have struggled, but IMO they have a chance to recover in the future. I really want to see Cleveland recover especially, so much potential there.
Bleak futures? Maybe Milwaukee and some smaller rust belt cities like Flint and Gary. Other than that, none others really stick out as having extremely bleak futures.
Chicago is like New York; it may decline a bit but it will always be the powerhouse city of the region. No other city in the Midwest, no matter how fast/much they grow, will ever take away Chicago's dominance. It's simply virtually impossible to do.
Columbus, Minneapolis, Kansas City, Madison, and Indianapolis all look like they have bright futures.
Detroit, Cleveland, Dayton, and St Louis have struggled, but IMO they have a chance to recover in the future. I really want to see Cleveland recover especially, so much potential there.
Bleak futures? Maybe Milwaukee and some smaller rust belt cities like Flint and Gary. Other than that, none others really stick out as having extremely bleak futures.
Chicago is like New York; it may decline a bit but it will always be the powerhouse city of the region. No other city in the Midwest, no matter how fast/much they grow, will ever take away Chicago's dominance. It's simply virtually impossible to do.
I don't see a bleak future here. I wouldn't put it up with the Twin Cities or Columbus but it's not bleak.
I was in Nashville this past weekend and met a young man who said the same thing about the Memphis St. Louis comparison. Having lived in both cities, I can't see the similarities other than the blues, bbq and Mississippi river thing. Culturally, economically and stability tells a totally different story. Many Tennesseans who don't have experience of daily living in St. Louis or any other midwestern city don't have an accurate assessment of St. Louis
Detroit I guess is my new pet city. I think the future is bright or rather I hope that it is bright. St. Louis is closer to having a bright future with a little planning. Detroit is more of a world class city but St. Louis is in better shape as far as quality of life goes. I would admit I know very little about Detroit suburbs.
Detroit suburbs definitely offer a high quality of life. St. Louis suburbs don't really compare.
Columbus, Minneapolis, Kansas City, Madison, and Indianapolis all look like they have bright futures.
Detroit, Cleveland, Dayton, and St Louis have struggled, but IMO they have a chance to recover in the future. I really want to see Cleveland recover especially, so much potential there.
Bleak futures? Maybe Milwaukee and some smaller rust belt cities like Flint and Gary. Other than that, none others really stick out as having extremely bleak futures.
Chicago is like New York; it may decline a bit but it will always be the powerhouse city of the region. No other city in the Midwest, no matter how fast/much they grow, will ever take away Chicago's dominance. It's simply virtually impossible to do.
Not quite sure why you chose Milwaukee as "bleak." Not at all.
Not quite sure why you chose Milwaukee as "bleak." Not at all.
Huge swaths of Milwaukee have seen zero improvements in the last decade. Downtown gets better every year, but large areas of the north side are still shedding population.
Huge swaths of Milwaukee have seen zero improvements in the last decade. Downtown gets better every year, but large areas of the north side are still shedding population.
Milwaukee population has grown slightly. Unemployment is extremely low, so there aren't a lot of jobs available for unskilled labor. Perhaps, the reason for loss of north side population.
Detroit suburbs definitely offer a high quality of life. St. Louis suburbs don't really compare.
St. Louis has many very attractive suburbs, especially in central St. Louis County (Clayton, Ladue, Webster Groves, Kirkwood, etc.). These suburbs also tend to be more connected with the city proper than is true of many of the Detroit area's desirable suburbs. I think both metro areas have a lot of potential for the future.
St. Louis has many very attractive suburbs, especially in central St. Louis County (Clayton, Ladue, Webster Groves, Kirkwood, etc.). These suburbs also tend to be more connected with the city proper than is true of many of the Detroit area's desirable suburbs. I think both metro areas have a lot of potential for the future.
Very true statement. The only exception is Grosse Pointe which is very close-in, tightly knit with the City. But Birmingham? Royal Oak? Plymouth? ... hell, some people are now counting freaking Ann Arbor as a Detroit suburb. Yes these places all have 'downtown'/Main Street walkable vitality, esp RO and Birmingham. They are way out-there islands disconnected from Detroit... To me, going to these places is a road trip. Most of what little that passes as public transit in metro Detroit (all buses) end at the City's border anyway. It just goes to show how the dysfunctionality of metro Detroit has manifested to such an extent.
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