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Like I said earlier, it's been implied that Chicago is booming and only a handful of things is holding it back (ie Blacks leaving), but that's not the case. Also, Chicago's metro pop is skewing a lot older than those boomtowns. There's more people outright leaving the labor force and retiring in Chicago than DFW, Houston, etc. Speaking of which, DFW gained almost 3 times the jobs Chicago did in raw numbers, Houston-Atlanta-Phoenix had almost double, Miami-Seattle had almost 35% more in raw numbers, Orlando about 30% more, etc. Looking at that, I don't know how anyone can say Chicago is close to the boomtowns and it's not "just below" them either.
What Chicago is doing is no different than what a lot of "legacy" cities are doing. Chicago's numbers are actually more in line with those cities than anywhere else. Only difference being Chicago is much much cheaper than some of those cities (Boston, DC, etc.), but isn't really outpacing them. I think there's a larger underlying problem there.
I was expecting much higher numbers from Chicago. Also, Chicago is much cheaper than the legacy cities (at least those on the East Coast), so you'd think it'd be growing faster considering all you hear.
So I guess your expectations are higher, and that is the problem. not the numbers. Chicago is attracting corporate headquarters that sometimes don't employ alot of people, as opposed to warehouses in places like Dallas and Houston. Chicago is the 3rd largest metro and the 3rd largest employment base in the U.S., so the percentage change would naturally be lower, just like in NY and Los Angeles.
One poster said that Minneapolis did so poorly becasue of the bad winter right before these statistics came out. Chicago endured the same polar vortex Minneapolis did and is losing some population and is still doing very well in these numbers despite these two factors. It beat out DC and Minneapolis and Boston, cities you hear of all the time that are doing well. Also, no one said that the blacks leaving are holding Chicago back; I have never heard that before. It seems you just have a thing for Chicago, since nothing else you observed makes any sense.
So I guess your expectations are higher, and that is the problem. not the numbers. Chicago is attracting corporate headquarters that sometimes don't employ alot of people, as opposed to warehouses in places like Dallas and Houston. Chicago is the 3rd largest metro and the 3rd largest employment base in the U.S., so the percentage change would naturally be lower, just like in NY and Los Angeles.
One poster said that Minneapolis did so poorly becasue of the bad winter right before these statistics came out. Chicago endured the same polar vortex Minneapolis did and is losing some population and is still doing very well in these numbers despite these two factors. It beat out DC and Minneapolis and Boston, cities you hear of all the time that are doing well. Also, no one said that the blacks leaving are holding Chicago back; I have never heard that before. It seems you just have a thing for Chicago, since nothing else you observed makes any sense.
Perhaps I'm looking at it wrong and maybe my expectations were higher for Chicago, but I just think it would have added something like 70k jobs (1.5%), not 39k. That was the initial reason for my comment. You're right that Dallas, Houston, Atlanta, etc., have gotten a lot of warehouse type jobs, but those are just in addition to the same white collar jobs that Chicago gains.
As far as the comment about Blacks, I've heard it mentioned before that Blacks leaving is the only reason why Chicago was losing population, but as it turns out that isn't true. I don't have anything against Chicago, I just expect it to do better for all of its people, income or race. Chicago is not expensive like those other cities, so to me it should be gaining more jobs during the longest economic expansion ever in this country. This could be DFW cutting into what would be a larger Chicago rebound rather than the lopsided one.
So I guess your expectations are higher, and that is the problem. not the numbers. Chicago is attracting corporate headquarters that sometimes don't employ alot of people, as opposed to warehouses in places like Dallas and Houston. Chicago is the 3rd largest metro and the 3rd largest employment base in the U.S., so the percentage change would naturally be lower, just like in NY and Los Angeles.
One poster said that Minneapolis did so poorly becasue of the bad winter right before these statistics came out. Chicago endured the same polar vortex Minneapolis did and is losing some population and is still doing very well in these numbers despite these two factors. It beat out DC and Minneapolis and Boston, cities you hear of all the time that are doing well. Also, no one said that the blacks leaving are holding Chicago back; I have never heard that before. It seems you just have a thing for Chicago, since nothing else you observed makes any sense.
Mckesson (6 on Fortune 500), Core-mark (247 on Fortune 500) moved their headquarters from San Francisco to DFW in 2019. DJO a multi-billion dollar leading global provider of medical technologies from San Diego moved headquarters recently to Dallas. The PGA moved their headquarters from Florida to Dallas area this year. I won't list all of the recent ones as there are many.
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Perhaps I'm looking at it wrong and maybe my expectations were higher for Chicago, but I just think it would have added something like 70k jobs (1.5%), not 39k. That was the initial reason for my comment. You're right that Dallas, Houston, Atlanta, etc., have gotten a lot of warehouse type jobs, but those are just in addition to the same white collar jobs that Chicago gains.
As far as the comment about Blacks, I've heard it mentioned before that Blacks leaving is the only reason why Chicago was losing population, but as it turns out that isn't true. I don't have anything against Chicago, I just expect it to do better for all of its people, income or race. Chicago is not expensive like those other cities, so to me it should be gaining more jobs during the longest economic expansion ever in this country. This could be DFW cutting into what would be a larger Chicago rebound rather than the lopsided one.
Admittedly, this is also just a one year sample.
Chicago's percentage was the same as Washington over that time span, 0.9%. It added more numerically obviously the Chi work force is about 4 million, DC is about 3.4 million.
I also take note of the months chosen March-March, because DC actually added 35,300 over the course of the full year.
So I guess your expectations are higher, and that is the problem. not the numbers. Chicago is attracting corporate headquarters that sometimes don't employ alot of people, as opposed to warehouses in places like Dallas and Houston. Chicago is the 3rd largest metro and the 3rd largest employment base in the U.S., so the percentage change would naturally be lower, just like in NY and Los Angeles.
One poster said that Minneapolis did so poorly becasue of the bad winter right before these statistics came out. Chicago endured the same polar vortex Minneapolis did and is losing some population and is still doing very well in these numbers despite these two factors.
It wasn't the polar vortex that cost Minneapolis jobs, it was the never-ending onslaught of winter storms that halted construction. Now that it's warmer now, those jobs have likely all surged back and then some.
March 2017-March 2019 Metro Area Job Growth
+271,600 New York +2.83%
+192,700 Dallas +5.41%
+172,600 Los Angeles +2.86%
+132,000 Phoenix +6.50%
+122,200 Houston +4.06%
+119,200 Atlanta +4.41%
+110,500 San Francisco +4.66%
+100,200 Seattle +5.07%
+95,200 Miami +3.61%
+83,500 Chicago +1.91%
+75,800 Riverside +5.26%
+70,900 Philadelphia +2.46%
+69,700 Orlando +5.61%
+64,400 Washington DC +1.98%
+62,600 Denver +4.34%
+58,400 Tampa +4.42%
+58,200 Austin +5.67%
+57,500 Nashville +5.93%
+56,800 Sacramento +5.93%
+56,600 San Diego +3.93%
+56,200 Charlotte +4.81%
+53,300 Boston +1.97%
+49,600 Las Vegas +5.09%
+48,100 San Jose +4.39%
+45,200 Portland +3.88%
+43,200 Detroit +2.18%
+39,100 Baltimore +2.83%
+38,900 San Antonio +3.76%
+32,600 Jacksonville +4.77%
+31,600 Cincinnati +2.92%
+31,000 Salt Lake City +4.37%
+30,300 Columbus +2.83%
+28,700 Indianapolis +2.74%
+27,000 Raleigh +4.44%
+25,300 Pittsburgh +2.18%
+24,600 Cleveland +2.36%
+21,400 Kansas City +1.99%
+21,200 Oklahoma City +3.36%
+19,400 St Louis +1.41%
+18,800 Grand Rapids +3.42%
I copied and pasted them into ranking by percentage. Phoenix has the biggest job growth by percentage by far. Very impressive!
One thing I'd wanna highlight would be Baltimore, Cleveland, Detroit, Philly, and Pittsburgh being above DC and Boston. So many rankings have that DC and Boston are these awesome job hubs, but it looks like they're slowing down and other former Rust Belt and/or depressed cities are showing stronger growth. Significantly, Baltimore is ahead of DC. I know Baltimore has a long way to go while DC is a powerhouse job center already, and these rankings include Baltimore suburbs that are more and more aligned with DC, but I think it's something to just note and ponder over.
So many postings and articles also want to claim Baltimore, Cleveland, Detroit, Pittsburgh, Chicago, St. Louis, Buffalo, Rochester, etc. are failed cities with no hope, but even small job growth is better than negative jobs.
+56,200 Charlotte +4.81%
+32,600 Jacksonville +4.77%
+110,500 San Francisco +4.66%
+27,000 Raleigh +4.44%
+58,400 Tampa +4.42%
+119,200 Atlanta +4.41%
+48,100 San Jose +4.39%
+31,000 Salt Lake City +4.37%
+62,600 Denver +4.34%
+122,200 Houston +4.06%
+56,600 San Diego +3.93%
+45,200 Portland +3.88%
+38,900 San Antonio +3.76%
+95,200 Miami +3.61%
+18,800 Grand Rapids +3.42%
+21,200 Oklahoma City +3.36%
+16,100 Birmingham +3.05%
+31,600 Cincinnati +2.92%
+172,600 Los Angeles +2.86%
+271,600 New York +2.83%
+39,100 Baltimore +2.83%
+30,300 Columbus +2.83%
+28,700 Indianapolis +2.74%
+70,900 Philadelphia +2.46%
+24,600 Cleveland +2.36%
+43,200 Detroit +2.18%
+25,300 Pittsburgh +2.18%
+14,200 Louisville +2.16%
+7,800 Tucson +2.05%
+21,400 Kansas City +1.99%
+64,400 Washington DC +1.98%
+53,300 Boston +1.97%
+12,500 Memphis +1.96%
+83,500 Chicago +1.91%
+13,400 Virginia Beach +1.73%
+11,100 Richmond +1.66%
+8,100 Rochester +1.53%
+19,400 St Louis +1.41%
+7,300 New Orleans +1.27%
+6,000 Providence +1.04%
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I copied and pasted them into ranking by percentage. Phoenix has the biggest job growth by percentage by far. Very impressive!
One thing I'd wanna highlight would be Baltimore, Cleveland, Detroit, Philly, and Pittsburgh being above DC and Boston. So many rankings have that DC and Boston are these awesome job hubs, but it looks like they're slowing down and other former Rust Belt and/or depressed cities are showing stronger growth. Significantly, Baltimore is ahead of DC. I know Baltimore has a long way to go while DC is a powerhouse job center already, and these rankings include Baltimore suburbs that are more and more aligned with DC, but I think it's something to just note and ponder over.
^^^ The DC MSA has 3.4 million jobs, that's more than the Baltimore MSA has people! It's not "gaining any ground" on DC, and in fact some parts of MSA Baltimore are increasing in percentage because of the proximity to DC MSA, companies move back and forth between the two. Just a fun fact. I welcome Baltimore area job growth, it just makes the region stronger.
+64,400 Washington DC +1.98%
+39,100 Baltimore +2.83%
+103,500 DC-Baltimore CSA +2.40%
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^^^ The DC MSA has 3.4 million jobs, that's more than the Baltimore MSA has people! It's not "gaining any ground" on DC and in fact some parts of MSA Baltimore are increasing in percentage because of the proximity to DC MSA, companies move back and forth between the two. Just a fun fact. I welcome Baltimore area job growth, it just makes the region stronger.
+64,400 Washington DC +1.98%
+39,100 Baltimore +2.83%
+103,500 DC-Baltimore CSA +2.40%
Oh yeah. I honestly kind assumed that the growth in Baltimore MSA had at least something to do with DC's job spillover into Baltimore MSA counties. I definitely think that combined number is the best representation.
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