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It's ironic that the two cities that are literally in the south have the least amount of votes.
But the thread is about which city "feels" most southern. Obviously based on stereotypical southern characteristics and not actual census definition. Although, St. Louis is as Midwestern as they come, and Baltimore and certainly Wilmington (which is part of metro Philly) do not feel stereotypically southern. So that would leave KC, which I've never been to. Based on the other 3, it is picking at straws to determine a winner since none really feel stereotypically southern, even though 2 are technically southern by census definition.
100% true. KC is strategizing to be a "New West" frontier city just like Denver.
St. Louis pushers are trapped in its past of industrial midwest, glory days. But its culture, like the actual culture, is decidedly different than other midwestern cities in its nuance. Also, as the city moves forward, it's got more in common with Memphis than Chicago or "Indianapolis". They are just so freaking different.
St. Louis is arguably more connected to the Ozarks with its southwest corridor that starts in south st. louis county.
I lived in Indiana for college. If Indy is quintessential "midwest"...or Iowa/Wisconsin/Kansas/Illinois There is NOTHING similar with culture of St. Louis, and its southern region onto the ozarks...NOTHING...unless you fall into that category as a family. The true STL families I know would agree.
South St. louis county is increasingly southern and its population is growing from people in southern areas.
KC will never be a "New West" frontier city like Denver. The only items they have in common are a somewhat greater clustering of STEM jobs and sizable degree holders in certain areas. KC metro behaves in no way like the Denver metro and definitely lacks most of the in-migration from other areas of the US by comparison. Climate of KC is in no way similar to Denver, so that eliminates it by default from ever being more "western." Also, KC locals are known for not liking much in the way of change at all, a large percentage there are certainly stuck in their ways of doing things for better or worse. Also, KC will always have the state line dividing the metro in half, resulting in a fractious economic growth setup that neither Denver or Dallas have to contend with. Also, KC taxes are quite high compared to Dallas (no state income tax in Texas), or Denver (low property taxes with far greater real estate appreciation than KC would ever dream of having).
100% true. KC is strategizing to be a "New West" frontier city just like Denver.
There are areas in which KC is far outpacing STL in the new economy, and others in which STL exceeds KC. I agree that KC looks west while STL looks east. It's always been that way.
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St. Louis pushers are trapped in its past of industrial midwest, glory days. But its culture, like the actual culture, is decidedly different than other midwestern cities in its nuance. Also, as the city moves forward, it's got more in common with Memphis than Chicago or "Indianapolis". They are just so freaking different.
Did you just pull this out of your ***? Because it isn't even remotely true. St. Louis is MUCH MUCH MUCH more connected to Chicago than it is to Memphis (or Indianapolis), not even debatable. And I don't think anyone is suggesting St. Louis is "like" Chicago (size alone makes this a stupid comparison), but STL is sure as hell more like Detroit, Cleveland and Pittsburgh than it is like any city in the South, period. In pretty much every category.
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St. Louis is arguably more connected to the Ozarks with its southwest corridor that starts in south st. louis county.
This is quite a stretch. You're actually suggesting that St. Louis is "connected to the Ozarks" like culturally? Lol, you must not keep up with county by county voting maps much. What a joke.
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I lived in Indiana for college. If Indy is quintessential "midwest"...or Iowa/Wisconsin/Kansas/Illinois There is NOTHING similar with culture of St. Louis, and its southern region onto the ozarks...NOTHING...unless you fall into that category as a family. The true STL families I know would agree.
Agreed, Indiana in general is more quintessentially Midwestern than St. Louis, and also more country/townish as well. St. Louis has a more eastern/river city orientation and vibe because it is so much older, more seasoned, more textured, with much more classic institutional and academic urban culture than any place in the state of Indiana. No contest. These are qualities that just come with age and historic status (STL was a top 10 city from 1850-1960), so shouldn't come as a surprise.
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South St. louis county is increasingly southern and its population is growing from people in southern areas.
This, like much of what you said above, is also not true. South County is growing primarily because of continued out-migration from South St. Louis City and migration of residents from other parts of the St. Louis metro area, which is why South County developed suburbs at all. South County also has a HUGE Bosnian population, so your "it's growing more southern" claim sounds ridiculous to those of us who have witnessed South County becoming increasingly more diverse over the past 20 years.
It's ironic that the two cities that are literally in the south have the least amount of votes.
probably because you haven't spent considerable time in southern missouri. it pays to leave the plantation and not live on the internet behind a monitor, and believe "perceptions" (that are easily crafted and manipulated by media).
There are areas in which KC is far outpacing STL in the new economy, and others in which STL exceeds KC. I agree that KC looks west while STL looks east. It's always been that way.
Did you just pull this out of your ***? Because it isn't even remotely true. St. Louis is MUCH MUCH MUCH more connected to Chicago than it is to Memphis (or Indianapolis), not even debatable. And I don't think anyone is suggesting St. Louis is "like" Chicago (size alone makes this a stupid comparison), but STL is sure as hell more like Detroit, Cleveland and Pittsburgh than it is like any city in the South, period. In pretty much every category.
This is quite a stretch. You're actually suggesting that St. Louis is "connected to the Ozarks" like culturally? Lol, you must not keep up with county by county voting maps much. What a joke.
Agreed, Indiana in general is more quintessentially Midwestern than St. Louis, and also more country/townish as well. St. Louis has a more eastern/river city orientation and vibe because it is so much older, more seasoned, more textured, with much more classic institutional and academic urban culture than any place in the state of Indiana. No contest. These are qualities that just come with age and historic status (STL was a top 10 city from 1850-1960), so shouldn't come as a surprise.
This, like much of what you said above, is also not true. South County is growing primarily because of continued out-migration from South St. Louis City and migration of residents from other parts of the St. Louis metro area, which is why South County developed suburbs at all. South County also has a HUGE Bosnian population, so your "it's growing more southern" claim sounds ridiculous to those of us who have witnessed South County becoming increasingly more diverse over the past 20 years.
Dude, get out of St. Louis and get some perspective. Most Stl people are all sub consciously trying to live in its 'glory days'. They think it's like an extension of the old East Coast culture and victorian days. The problem with st. louis is its parochial population that lives in mental loops. If people there would just get some perspective, then things could change for the better.
Cities change. St. Louis is becoming more southern and back to its mississippi roots. It's best to not fight it and embrace it. It actually makes the city more likable.
Everytime I go back, I get more interested in little things. But for some reason, all the people trying "so hard to be hip" always keep boosting ..."Hey did you see we have...", subconsciously saying Hey! Look at us! We're just as cool as Chicago or Boston! We have an Ikea too!" And frankly, the outside world doesn't care. When people go to st. louis they want to experience its flavor. Not the perceptions you try to manipulate.
People from outside world like the Ozarks wayyyy more than "omg the Loop".
Well it is in a state that some people on here consider to be southern. Look at the comment above yours.
Wilmington and New Castle County have far too many ties to the very Northern city of Philadelphia 45 minutes away, and has commuting and cultural ties to Philly. Also, Delaware is east of the Mason-Dixon line, and historically has ties to Pennsylvania. Nothing culturally 'Southern' about Wilmington at all.
Wilmington and New Castle County have far too many ties to the very Northern city of Philadelphia 45 minutes away, and has commuting and cultural ties to Philly. Also, Delaware is east of the Mason-Dixon line, and historically has ties to Pennsylvania. Nothing culturally 'Southern' about Wilmington at all.
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