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This doesn't feel big? Atlanta is massive and ever growing.
That has little to do with how it feels on the ground in main core of the city.
Yeah, Atlanta feels massive with 6 lanes freeway with skyinles scattered out in like 5 districts. But downtown/greater midtown/ east side hoods are kindve what I’m referring to where the core is blended and immediately accessible from area to area, I do think that necessarily blows everyone out the water.
That has little to do with how it feels on the ground in main core of the city.
Yeah, Atlanta feels massive with 6 lanes freeway with skyinles scattered out in like 5 districts. But downtown/greater midtown/ east side hoods are kindve what I’m referring too where the core is blended and immediately accessible from area to area, I do think that necessarily blows everyone out the water.
No I don’t think it blows everyone out of the water either. In the context of this thread Atlanta’s core still feels bigger than Cleveland’s or Columbus’s to me. It’s kind of an is or is not thing, we are not being asked to quantify by how much.
That has little to do with how it feels on the ground in main core of the city.
Yeah, Atlanta feels massive with 6 lanes freeway with skyinles scattered out in like 5 districts. But downtown/greater midtown/ east side hoods are kindve what I’m referring too where the core is blended and immediately accessible from area to area, I do think that necessarily blows everyone out the water.
It doesn't blow everything out of the water, but when one is downtown and/or midtown, one certainly gets the impression that they are in a big city, especially now with both areas practically blending in with each other.
This doesn't feel big? Atlanta is massive and ever growing.
No, it doesn't feel as big or bustling on the ground, as cities in it's tier. Cities like Miami, Philadelphia, DC and Boston all feel bigger and much more dense than Atlanta IMHO. I feel the same about other Sunbelt cities in their respective tiers. This doesn't mean I don't like them or don't think they aren't fun cities.
For density I doubled Cleveland's per Lake Erie cutting the area in half. Not exactly accurate, but pretty close.
1 Mile Density:
Cleveland: 8,188 Atlanta: 7,381 Columbus: 2,894
3 Mile Density:
Atlanta: 6,155 Cleveland: 5,476 Columbus: 4,628
5 Mile Density:
Cleveland: 6,296 Atlanta: 4,317 Columbus: 4,192
10 Mile Density:
Cleveland: 5,196 Columbus: 3,063 Atlanta: 2,989
15 Mile Density:
Cleveland: 3,519 Atlanta: 2,629 Columbus: 1,988
So center city Cleveland probably feels the most urban.
For 1 and 3 miles it’s not remotely close to 1/2. Public square is about .75 of a mile from the lakeshore so it’s mostly land.
Then at the ~10-15 mile range the Shore bumps out significantly so that’s totally omitting Lakewood and basically everything beyond about a block North of Lorain Ave is basically counted as nothing by land area.
It doesn't blow everything out of the water, but when one is downtown and/or midtown, one certainly gets the impression that they are in a big city, especially now with both areas practically blending in with each other.
Out of all the cities in the South including Texas (excluding Miami), Atlanta probably feels the most Metropolis like when you are in the core areas near downtown/Midtown/Buckhead. Compared to most Northeastern cities and Chicago, it doesn't feel nearly as busy but it still certainly feels bigger city than Cleveland and Columbus.
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That has little to do with how it feels on the ground in main core of the city.
Yeah, Atlanta feels massive with 6 lanes freeway with skyinles scattered out in like 5 districts. But downtown/greater midtown/ east side hoods are kindve what I’m referring to where the core is blended and immediately accessible from area to area, I do think that necessarily blows everyone out the water.
Walk Peachtree in Midtown or the Beltline on a nice afternoon. Tons of street activity.
Let me help you out with (just) a few direct quotes:
You:
".. and there are a much greater amount of attractions and places to go in Atlanta than in Cleveland...
At any given moment, at any time of day, during any point of the year, there are more people within Atlanta than Cleveland, and those people directly contribute to the vast margin in amount of things to do between the two..."
"The bottom line in my opinion is that Cleveland beats Atlanta in one category only, and that's having a legacy Symphony and Arts scene. It ends there."
"Flats east Bank isn’t that amazing. I don’t know if you realize it’s not 1973 anymore but there is so many more people in Atlanta on a daily basis than Cleveland. [Note 1: I never said Flats East Bank was “amazing”"
Me: Personally, I do think Flats East Bank (and the Flats generally), is/are amazing, but I didn’t say that. I simply stated that Atlanta has no comparable area to Flats East Bank... direct evidence of you twisting words/meaning to make your case.
Someone else:
"Again, outside of the cultural legacy due to old industrial fortunes, Cleveland can't touch Atlanta in any category."
... proof enough?
You only quoted me once, which wasn't a disparaging comment. You're looking for a reason to be upset, we can agree to disagree without your added vitriol...
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Originally Posted by mjlo
No I don’t think it blows everyone out of the water either. In the context of this thread Atlanta’s core still feels bigger than Cleveland’s or Columbus’s to me. It’s kind of an is or is not thing, we are not being asked to quantify by how much.
Your bolded here is on point. Nobody is saying Atlanta blows "everyone" out of the water, because Atlanta isn't being compared to everyone here...its clear people just aren't happy with the thought Atlanta is the answer here, and by a near consensus, because even the Clevekand contingent is admitting Atlanta feels larger while arguing it isn't "blowing out the water"...
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Originally Posted by I_am_Father_McKenzie
Population in five radii from the historical "Center City" of the three cities. 2010 and 2017 numbers.
For density I doubled Cleveland's per Lake Erie cutting the area in half. Not exactly accurate, but pretty close.
1 Mile Density:
Cleveland: 8,188 Atlanta: 7,381 Columbus: 2,894
3 Mile Density:
Atlanta: 6,155 Cleveland: 5,476 Columbus: 4,628
5 Mile Density:
Cleveland: 6,296 Atlanta: 4,317 Columbus: 4,192
10 Mile Density:
Cleveland: 5,196 Columbus: 3,063 Atlanta: 2,989
15 Mile Density:
Cleveland: 3,519 Atlanta: 2,629 Columbus: 1,988
So center city Cleveland probably feels the most urban.
This is great info. Cleveland is more urban than Atlanta, certainly more uniformly urban in a residential sense. But it feels considerably smaller than Atlanta, and I don't know why people are trying to conflate the two (size, urbanity) in here as if there can be no distinction...
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Originally Posted by Westakron1
No, it doesn't feel as big or bustling on the ground, as cities in it's tier. Cities like Miami, Philadelphia, DC and Boston all feel bigger and much more dense than Atlanta IMHO. I feel the same about other Sunbelt cities in their respective tiers. This doesn't mean I don't like them or don't think they aren't fun cities.
I'll disagree with this for sure. DC and Boston are more urban without a doubt, and in this case it isn't close. Atlanta feels comparably sized though, because "urban" doesn't all encompass size. DC feels a little larger than both, Atlanta and Boston feel closer in size, but DC doesn't feel larger by a wide margin...Atlanta feels right around those cities, size wise, because it is...
No, it doesn't feel as big or bustling on the ground, as cities in it's tier. Cities like Miami, Philadelphia, DC and Boston all feel bigger and much more dense than Atlanta IMHO. I feel the same about other Sunbelt cities in their respective tiers. This doesn't mean I don't like them or don't think they aren't fun cities.
He never said Atlanta felt the biggest; he said it felt big and while that can be relative, most reasonable people (and people who don't reside in the country's 3 largest metros) wouldn't really look at somebody funny because they said Atlanta felt big.
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