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These are just city proper population, and not the entire metro areas. Greenville city is just way too small to compete here in my opinion, It's a nice town on the SC scale, but perhaps just a little out of it's league with this group of cities.
Fair enough, but there is no easily available Greenville city data, so I went with the county. Richmond is a county-equivalent. That said, Henrico + Richmond is the same population as Greenville County and Henrico voted 37 percent Trump. So Richmond+Henrico was about 28 percent Trump, making it far less Trump than Greenville, and still to the left of Mecklenburg and Wake.
Raleigh urban area is 38.4% GOP
Richmond urban area is 38.8% GOP
Charlotte urban area is 40.3% GOP
Greenville urban area is 63.8% GOP, making it the 9th most right-wing urban area.
Among CSAs over a million people, it's No. 1 in the country, followed by Knoxville - 62.4% GOP - and then Tulsa - 62.2%. No other urban areas of that size register over 60% GOP.
There's not really an argument that can be made that Upstate SC isn't conservative and right-wing.
And it's not a question of living there or not. Nobody in Greenville is going to stab you for being a Democrat.
But...you will be outvoted time and time again and you will disagree with most policy being enacted at the local, county and state level.
Political segregation exists, not because people hate those of other parties, but because we want to be a part of a community that shares our values. I lived in Tulsa, Oklahoma for 20 years before I left. Why? COL was nice, and the city is underrated. But I couldn't live with the mentality that low taxes was more important than fixing potholes, or improving our crumbling schools, or cleaning up the river.
I eventually gave up and moved to a city - Alexandria, Virginia - where I would be happier.
All I'm saying is it policy is of importance to you, and you do not subscribe to right-wing ideology, Greenville might not be a good choice.
Good points. Thanks for the info.
I've considered Alexandria, as well. Looks lovely!
Fair enough, but there is no easily available Greenville city data, so I went with the county. Richmond is a county-equivalent. That said, Henrico + Richmond is the same population as Greenville County and Henrico voted 37 percent Trump. So Richmond+Henrico was about 28 percent Trump, making it far less Trump than Greenville, and still to the left of Mecklenburg and Wake.
Raleigh urban area is 38.4% GOP
Richmond urban area is 38.8% GOP
Charlotte urban area is 40.3% GOP
Greenville urban area is 63.8% GOP, making it the 9th most right-wing urban area.
Among CSAs over a million people, it's No. 1 in the country, followed by Knoxville - 62.4% GOP - and then Tulsa - 62.2%. No other urban areas of that size register over 60% GOP.
There's not really an argument that can be made that Upstate SC isn't conservative and right-wing.
And it's not a question of living there or not. Nobody in Greenville is going to stab you for being a Democrat.
But...you will be outvoted time and time again and you will disagree with most policy being enacted at the local, county and state level.
Political segregation exists, not because people hate those of other parties, but because we want to be a part of a community that shares our values. I lived in Tulsa, Oklahoma for 20 years before I left. Why? COL was nice, and the city is underrated. But I couldn't live with the mentality that low taxes was more important than fixing potholes, or improving our crumbling schools, or cleaning up the river.
I eventually gave up and moved to a city - Alexandria, Virginia - where I would be happier.
All I'm saying is it policy is of importance to you, and you do not subscribe to right-wing ideology, Greenville might not be a good choice.
Absolutely, it's been that way forever seem like. That part of the state keeps South Carolina a red state.
I've been to all 4 numerous times and now live in Richmond. I like Raleigh and find Charlotte pretty bland. Richmond will give one the best of a city experience out of the bunch. I'm not sure how Greenville even fits into the comparison.
It seems like Richmond is winning this competition and I must say it does sound interesting and I wonder when I start looking to move to the Southeast if I should overlook its reputation for being one of the deadliest cities in America. So, what is the deal with Richmond's high homicide rate? Do people feel threatened in this place? I have read of a lot of people complaining about the crime in this city and the major issue with drugs, shootings and poverty. However, it seems people really praise the city, its atmosphere, downtown and urban environment. I did have to say I did not really like the sprawled suburban nature of Charlotte. ALthough, Denver is pretty much the same way although it does have a few distinct neighborhoods in the city, but it also pretty much sprawled suburban/family-oriented type of city versus a place for a single person who wants to join an urban atmosphere.
I suppose none of the cities in this list, except Greenville, could actually be classified as a "Southern city", as most of them are transplant cities with a majority of residents being from the Northeast. That was the experience I had living in Charlotte, it was more uncommon to meet a native North Carolinan than a New Yorker in Charlotte.
It seems like Richmond is winning this competition and I must say it does sound interesting and I wonder when I start looking to move to the Southeast if I should overlook its reputation for being one of the deadliest cities in America. So, what is the deal with Richmond's high homicide rate? Do people feel threatened in this place? I have read of a lot of people complaining about the crime in this city and the major issue with drugs, shootings and poverty. However, it seems people really praise the city, its atmosphere, downtown and urban environment. I did have to say I did not really like the sprawled suburban nature of Charlotte. ALthough, Denver is pretty much the same way although it does have a few distinct neighborhoods in the city, but it also pretty much sprawled suburban/family-oriented type of city versus a place for a single person who wants to join an urban atmosphere.
I suppose none of the cities in this list, except Greenville, could actually be classified as a "Southern city", as most of them are transplant cities with a majority of residents being from the Northeast. That was the experience I had living in Charlotte, it was more uncommon to meet a native North Carolinan than a New Yorker in Charlotte.
Crime in Richmond is largely concentrated to the Black neighborhoods, as tends to be the case in most American metros. Don't go there, and you'll be fine.
Fortunately, most of the tourist attractions are not in these neighborhoods.
The Triangle’s GDP is around 50% bigger than Richmond’s, the per capita GDP is higher, and the GDP is growing faster.
And I never said I know nothing about Richmond, though I do indeed know more about other places.
Lmao okay......#1, the OP is looking for an expressly urban experience and is looking to "live within walking distance of downtown". The rest of The Triangle is not even a factor in this scenario...
#2, most importantly, "The Triangle" is not synonymous with "Raleigh". You know this, alot of other people do too, but for those who don't, though even in this case I find your choice of words curious because even "Triangle GDP" isn't in the same realm as Charlotte's...
You can look at Raleigh however you choose to and still, the lived experience and amenities Raleigh offers does not belong in the same class of cities Charlotte is in. I can assure you, for OP and anyone else with specific downtown and urban lifestyle tastes, you will easily notice the separation from core Charlotte to core Raleigh...
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Originally Posted by RotseCherut
It seems like Richmond is winning this competition and I must say it does sound interesting and I wonder when I start looking to move to the Southeast if I should overlook its reputation for being one of the deadliest cities in America. So, what is the deal with Richmond's high homicide rate? Do people feel threatened in this place? I have read of a lot of people complaining about the crime in this city and the major issue with drugs, shootings and poverty. However, it seems people really praise the city, its atmosphere, downtown and urban environment. I did have to say I did not really like the sprawled suburban nature of Charlotte. ALthough, Denver is pretty much the same way although it does have a few distinct neighborhoods in the city, but it also pretty much sprawled suburban/family-oriented type of city versus a place for a single person who wants to join an urban atmosphere.
I suppose none of the cities in this list, except Greenville, could actually be classified as a "Southern city", as most of them are transplant cities with a majority of residents being from the Northeast. That was the experience I had living in Charlotte, it was more uncommon to meet a native North Carolinan than a New Yorker in Charlotte.
Well, every single one of these cities is southern. Richmond is too, but it is the only one of the four that could even be reasonably questioned as not southern...
I wouldn't expressly say "overlook" Richmond's crime, if that is an issue for you. It certainly is a part of Richmond's personality and character....but what I've found is that those who choose to live in Rich and cities with similar reputations (New Orleans, DC, Detroit, etc) a)value a host of other quality of life factors more than crime, and Richmond knocks it out of the park in the vast majority of other QOL criteria. And b)those people know that the bulk of violent crime is avoidable and keep thoughts of "crime" within its proper context...
To drive this home, there just was a mass shooting in Virginia Beach, one of the safest sizable cities in the entire country. This could happen anywhere, so it doesn't make VB less safe than it was prior. And yet that same safe city, prior to the other day, had more murders and more violent crime than neighboring Norfolk in 2019-->before the mass shooting. Norfolk has the reputation for crime of the two, but the city with the reputation as safer has been the more violent of the two this year...
So it's entirely dependent upon you how much crime factors into your decisions. I will say that you can put an over importance on it and miss out on an otherwise outstanding city. We all know that there is no such thing as a perfect city, but Richmond for sure has fewer weaknesses than most...
Most Richmonders don't feel threatened by the crime there because most aren't affected by it...
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Originally Posted by manitopiaaa
Crime in Richmond is largely concentrated to the Black neighborhoods, as tends to be the case in most American metros. Don't go there, and you'll be fine.
Fortunately, most of the tourist attractions are not in these neighborhoods.
I really doubt that middle class so called Blacks in RVA are committing crimes out here.
I know, the poster just lump all black folks into one without the slightest exception.
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