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View Poll Results: Which do you prefer
Boston 23 29.49%
Miami 12 15.38%
Charlotte 5 6.41%
Austin 16 20.51%
Chicago 22 28.21%
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Old 06-23-2019, 01:25 AM
 
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Weather Charlotte
Traffic Charlotte
Public Transportation Chicago
Outdoor Recreation Miami
Safety (crime)Austin
Safety (natural disaster) Austin
Job Market Boston
Diversity Chicago
People Boston

Tie. Very very even.
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Old 06-23-2019, 05:41 AM
 
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True on Miami, it's clearly the winner for the beach city, and that it obviously has a drastically longer (almost non-stop) beach season. Boston itself isn't really a "beach" city, but there are tons of beaches in the Boston area. The beaches near Boston's downtown are nowhere near as iconic in terms of skyline view as Chicago's beaches, which literally are across the freeway from downtown.

I'm one of the people that doesn't get the "oceans are better than lakes" thing. I know there's some things like surfing you can't do on a lake, but why do so many find an ocean far superior to a lake?
Many don’t care to see skyline views at a beach as they go to get away from the city...i can get fresh tuna, swordfish, tons of other fish, clams, oysters, lobster literally off the boat..lakes dont offer that..more varied marine life for fishing, more areas for surfing, varied coastline, and a feel and experience for someone that loves the ocean that couldn’t be replicated on a lake
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Old 06-23-2019, 05:44 AM
 
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Let's be real for a moment and admit that comparing a world-class city like Chicago to Austin and Charlotte is a joke.

Tourists:

Chicago: 57.6 million in 2018
https://chicago.curbed.com/2019/1/11...llion-visitors

Miami: 23 million in 2018
https://www.bizjournals.com/southflo...i-tourism.html

Boston: 21.8 million in 2018
https://www.bostonusa.com/media/statistics-reports/

Austin (Metro): 27.4 million in 2017
http://www.austintexas.gov/edims/document.cfm?id=307197

Charlotte (Region): 28.3 million in 2017
2017 visitor spending hits a record $7 billion in Charlotte region, nearly $5.4 billion in Mecklenburg County



Chicago 57.6 million compares more to:

New York: 65 million in 2018
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/16/n...sm-record.html

Los Angeles: 50 million in 2018
https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/l...504479441.html

Las Vegas: 42.1 million in 2018
https://www.reviewjournal.com/busine...mance-1588281/
Do cities track this differently? I don’t believe Chicago had more tourists than la and within 7 million of nyc a city 3-4 times the size
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Old 06-23-2019, 06:01 AM
 
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I'm one of the people that doesn't get the "oceans are better than lakes" thing. I know there's some things like surfing you can't do on a lake, but why do so many find an ocean far superior to a lake?
It makes them sound important. Oceans are BIG. A very coastal attitude.
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Old 06-23-2019, 08:18 AM
 
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It makes them sound important. Oceans are BIG. A very coastal attitude.
Someone distinguishing between two things when one is .016% the size of the other is pretty reasonable.

How we I concede for like 90% of people they get the same thing out of both the Great Lakes and the ocean so the difference is theoretical to many.
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Old 06-23-2019, 08:26 AM
 
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Chicago is building more large hotels and hotels have reported being the busiest in 16 years. Also, people mainly come to LA for entertainment careers and to move there hoping to make it. Chicago on the other hand benefits from not having any competition in the Midwest with the decline of Detroit.

Chicago is also making so many Best Lists every year and many times are ranked higher than Los Angeles on lists. For example, Chicago was named the Best City in the World in 2017 and 2018 by British based Time Out Magazine after surveying 15k. This year they named NYC number one with Chicago No. 3.

https://www.timeout.com/things-to-do...azine/3011679/

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-g...-idUSKBN1FJ2G9

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/t...tops-list.html

In 2018, Vancouver based firm Resonance Consultancy named Chicago the 7th Best City in the World. https://www.chicagobusiness.com/tour...ds-best-cities

In 2018, A.T. Kearney named Chicago the 8th most Influential City in the World. https://www.businessinsider.com/most...e-world-2018-5

In 2017 and 2018 New York based Conde Naste named Chicago the #1 best travel destination in the U.S after surveying over 300k people.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/lifes...017-story.html

https://chicago.curbed.com/2018/10/9...ar-conde-naste


Also, New York City is not even the most toured city in America. Every year Orlando smokes NYC and every city away because of Disney World. Orlando had 75 million tourists last year and 70 million the year before.

https://www.nbc-2.com/story/40447790...lace-in-the-us

https://www.visitorlando.com/en/corp...llion-visitors


Chicago is a city that is loaded with events that draws people since they can't find those events widely available. For example, BTS the popular Korean group chose Chicago and two other U.S. cities to perform in. The very popular Broadway play Hamilton chose Chicago as the second city to perform regularly with a September 2016 debut. The play did not debut in Los Angeles until March 2017. The very popular Pokemon Go festival is in Chicago every year.

https://www.vividseats.com/blog/4-ha...fferent-cities

https://www.vividseats.com/blog/bts-tour-dates

Oh, and let's not forget Lollapolooza is in Chicago every year.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RAn...ndex=2&t=2386s


I’ve been to Chicago several times...I understand the draw...I just feel that nyc and la would take in so many more international tourists besides American tourists..I don’t see how Chicago could come that close to those cities in tourism even if everyone in the Midwest goes there..I’ve found other visitor reports with different numbers..just skeptical..
Also people visiting Chicago are primarily visiting the city...the Boston number may not include the 6 million yearly visiting the cape or other regional areas and the la number may not include the visitors to Santa Monica, Malibu etc...7 million visit Malibu in the summer months alone

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Old 06-23-2019, 08:33 AM
 
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I’ve been to Chicago several times...I understand the draw...I just feel that nyc and la would take in so many more international tourists besides American tourists..I don’t see how Chicago could come that close to those cities in tourism even if everyone in the Midwest goes there..I’ve found other visitor reports with different numbers..just skeptical..maybe I’m wrong
Even in that last Charlotte and Austin having significantly more visitors than Boston which is an international tourist destination seems a bit off.


I think even Louisville reports more tourists than Boston and Philadelphia a year which is a bit absurd.

So yes tourist numbers are nearly useless because every city counts them differently.
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Old 06-23-2019, 10:22 AM
 
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Weather - Charlotte
Traffic - Charlotte
Public Transportation - Chicago
Outdoor Recreation - Charlotte/Miami (Most people don't realize just how much there is to do outdoors in the CLT area. Miami has some incredible beaches)
Safety (crime) - Austin
Safety (natural disaster) - Austin
Job Market - Austin/Charlotte
Diversity - Too broad and subjective. They're all "diverse" is their own ways.
People - Charlotte

*I've lived in the Boston area, I live in the Charlotte area, I've been to Chicago and Miami more times than I can count, and I've been to Austin twice.

*I don't hate any of them. Love Charlotte and Chicago. Like Boston. Miami and Austin are OK. Just my personal experience.

*Many C-Ders use sheer size as their measuring stick, which is a flawed way to judge any area. Per capita gives correct/more accurate perspective. For the most part, none of these are "obvious" choices.

*All have clearly have their merits, but my personal preferences in order: Charlotte, Chicago, Boston, Miami, Austin.
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Old 06-23-2019, 01:23 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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Many don’t care to see skyline views at a beach as they go to get away from the city...i can get fresh tuna, swordfish, tons of other fish, clams, oysters, lobster literally off the boat..lakes dont offer that..more varied marine life for fishing, more areas for surfing, varied coastline, and a feel and experience for someone that loves the ocean that couldn’t be replicated on a lake
Interesting points. However, I doubt the huge amount of people on this site who say they prefer oceans over lakes are saying that because they like to go deep sea fishing. I honestly think this idea that oceans are way better than lakes is yet another outdated stereotype by the coastal snobs.
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Old 06-23-2019, 02:04 PM
 
Location: Cleveland and Columbus OH
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Interesting points. However, I doubt the huge amount of people on this site who say they prefer oceans over lakes are saying that because they like to go deep sea fishing. I honestly think this idea that oceans are way better than lakes is yet another outdated stereotype by the coastal snobs.
Your conclusion is 100% correct. I've never met anyone that actually gets into boats looking for lobsters. It's just some dumb romantic vision people like peddling.
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