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yup..all the uneducated medical, legal and financial workers in Miami are “fake people” created by MSNBC and Coral Gables (including it’s surrounding areas), Pinecrest, Bal Harbour, Davie, Parkland, Weston, Boca, West Palm—and that’s just some of SoFla —have terrible schools and are awful for families...someone should tell the Northeast hedge funds relocating here due to high taxes and SALT limits to cancel their appointments with United Van Lines (hedge fund managers above the age of 65 along with future Uber drivers of America excluded). Aviation, real estate development, aerospace industries (this last industry run by U of Florida’s Sigma Chi), etc all fake as well...smh
“Fake facts”, below...Florida 4th highest GDP of the 50 states, behind CA, NY and TX::
I do agree that FL does rely upon importing more of its wealth (from inside and outside the US) than many other states—think of this as being similar to a MLB team in an appealing location or rich history that builds its team via free agency vs developing home grown talent. FL must offer benefits to attract this “bought” talent that continues to pour into the state. If it were a hellhole, they would stop coming here altogether (which is not the case—see link below) and be going elsewhere, instead.
Long term residents here in FL benefit from this influx of wealth via property taxes, multiplier effect spending, etc and, with those moving here with wealth that leads to greater services and demand for higher quality restaurants, shopping, entertainment, and—maybe—just maybe—higher education down the road. There are downsides as well—more traffic and many areas becoming less affordable for those who cannot keep up with rising COL/higher prices with less career and wealth building opportunities than elsewhere (though not nonexistent). Admittedly, not all those moving here are wealthy.
That being said there is much growth continuing in Miami and elsewhere in FL and that is not abating anytime soon (maybe in 50-70 years with rising sea level). Anyone who thinks the state’s or Miami’s heyday /high water mark (no pun intended) was from 30 years ago (a different poster than you) and that there was not much change this past decade is not dealing with reality. In Miami, alone, I can point to expansion of Brickell, Wynwood, Midtown/Design District, Miami River, development of Worldcenter, Edgewater, redevelopment of Bay Harbour, mid beach/Faena District, Coconut Grove, Cruise Port expansion, Virgin Brightline, Marlins Park, Hard Rock Stadium renovation, etc.
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I agree. Florida's economy is still almost entirely oriented around attracting northern retirees who want to spend and shelter their cash tax-free. And secondarily to tourism. Neither can create a diverse, stable, and forward-looking economy that supports robust business, research, and cultural investment. You can't attract families with arguably the worst schools in the country and other public investment, and if you can't attract families you can't build a broad economy. The crazy thing, though, is that Florida knows this and doesn't try to change it because, frankly, attracting old rich people and seasonal frat boys is enough to keep the engine going. It makes it an absolutely unbearable place to live, of course. And it is as dysfunctional as many of the people who live there. But in its own way it works and prevents any kind of change.
Last edited by elchevere; 09-24-2019 at 08:49 AM..
If I look at the entire decade and not just the last couple of years, one city stands out as not just booming but moving up a tier in relevance. And that city is Seattle. Seattle has jumped from a mid-major to a major city.
Another city that made a big jump is DC. It's been booming for awhile but it's continued and the city/region are thought of very differently than 2 decades ago in terms of jobs, safety, urban living, and diversity.
Third is SF. It's gotten much wealthier and so much so that many are thinking that it's a problem.
Raleigh, Nashville, Austin, and Charlotte have all boomed with Nashville probably changing the most.
Portland's relevance has faded as Seattle's has grown.
Atlanta still leads the SE definitively, but has more competition and maybe doesn't lead as definitively as in the past.
Houston hasn't built any new skyscrapers downtown and doesn't appear to be booming as much as in the past. But it continued to grow even with a downturn in oil, showing the diversity in its economy.
Houston hasn't built any new skyscrapers downtown and doesn't appear to be booming as much as in the past. But it continued to grow even with a downturn in oil, showing the diversity in its economy.
Wut?
Anyway these sort of things are easy to look up. There are information sites and databanks for this sort of thing are all over the Internet.
You could have done a better job with delivering your post if you had put in a little bit more effort into looking things up. Instead you just made something up without ever actually bothering to check the facts. For instance, I'm not saying this to incite competition but merely to state the facts but the tallest building actually built in Downtown Houston since 2010 (at 757 feet) is taller than any building built in the entire metropolitan areas of Atlanta, Boston, Dallas, and Washington DC. Though Boston's tallest built (Four Seasons Hotel & Residences) is only 15 feet shorter.
I've also provided pictures of the completed towers and pictures of the towers under construction, that's a safe guard because this forum seems to have descended into a fact-averse state these days. So I implore people to click on the links and see for themselves that these buildings actually exist. I'll do the 5 tallest built there.
1. 609 Main is 757 feet tall and was completed with construction in Downtown Houston in 2017.
There are several other highrises built in its downtown in addition to those five.
Also with regard to the "booming" statement, from 2017 to 2018, Greater Houston is still #3 in population growth in raw numbers (behind Dallas/Fort Worth and Phoenix) and #3 in job growth (behind New York and Dallas/Fort Worth) even after the so called "downturn in oil". It and Dallas/Fort Worth are the only MSAs to have added over 1 million people since 2010. There are facts and information available on that too all over the Internet from both the census bureau and the Bureau of Labor Statistics:
Houston's been at minimum in the Top 3 in population gains every year this decade by the way, and only dropped off in job growth for 2 calendar years of 2015 and 2016. Otherwise has been in the Top 5 every other year of this decade, including in the Top 3 for both 2018 and 2019.
This will likely be further supported and reflected in the GDP numbers that come out later in December for the fiscal year of 2018 as well. I'm not a Houston poster but your post was quite misinformed.
Last edited by Trafalgar Law; 09-24-2019 at 10:11 AM..
I have to give a little love to Boston here. They built quite a lot and saw many relocations and job increases this decade, while gaining a net of 85k in the city proper alone thus far. When including neighboring Cambridge and Somerville, the development is quite impressive.
-Seaport Square: 20+ mid-rise (170-275ft) buildings built that basically extended Boston's grid pattern further East. Used to be nearly all parking lots. Now its home to Alexion Technologies HQ, PTC HQ, GE's Global HQ, and a future Amazon 2,000 employee building... among other companies who have moved there.
Kendall Square: Huge improvements to this area with projects like SoMa, NoMa, MxD, Binney Street, etc... have seen companies like Boeing, Microsoft and Facebook buy huge swaths of buildings in Kendall Square. On top of that Google is building its own building literally on top of the Kendall/MIT T Station. Moreover, companies like Akamai Technologies have moved their HQ here. The Pharma industry has been thriving here with massive job relocations to Cambridge as companies from CT, NY and NJ flood to Kendall making this area the 2nd largest Pharma/Life Science cluster in America. It wasn't that strong 10 years ago.
Downtown/Peninsula Projects: Other downtowns have definitely built much more than Boston, but in the past 10 years, Boston's downtown has built quite a few massive towers. The 691ft Millenium Tower, the future twin-peak 691ft Winthrop Center Tower is u/c, the 620ft Bulfinch Crossing Tower/State Street Global HQ just broke ground a few weeks ago, a 520ft Residential Tower at Bulfinch, a 490ft ft North Station Office Tower, a 500ft North Station Residential Tower and a plethora of towers in between 200-400ft. Garages are slipping away and the streetscape ha really transformed, which has become very attractive for companies to move to. Also the neighborhood, the South End is erecting a lot of condo units and really changing the game here.
Back Bay Projects: Covering up the Turnpike with parcel projects have accelerated considerably. Parcel 12 and 7 are the noteworthy ones. Also a 741ft Residential/Hotel Tower was completed last year and a 400ft Hotel just broke ground in return with the Convention Center in the Back Bay selling off, to be sold for future development on the parcel. Back bay has seen about 4 buildings over 300ft go up since 2010 with many more coming. Also Wayfair has expanded drastically in Boston this decade, I think it has somewhere around 5,000 employees in Boston now?
College Expansions: Every university has expanded drastically in Boston. Harvard has gained a huge control of the Allston neighborhood with major expansions. BU is building a 350ft building that will be home to their Data Sciences Department, MIT has fostered/will foster ~10 building construction including the city of Cambridge's largest, MIT SoMa4. Northeastern, Emerson and Suffolk have been building like crazy and buying parcels in Boston transforming the landscape.
Other Projects: Suffolk Downs will hold 10k residents and a multitude of offices, Revere Beach remodel and gentrification. There even is a 400ft Casino Resort, Encore Boston Harbor, just 2 miles away in the city of Everett that overlooks the skyline. The Green Line Light Rail is expanding too.
Logan Airport: In 10 years, Logan Airport has gone from 26 million passengers to over 42 million passengers, with up to 45 mil by 2020. The amount of international passengers has grown to 9 million per year (2019, with a 11% growth) compared to just about 3.5 million back in 2010. Thats a 250% growth. Flights to Tokyo, Beijing, Shanghai, Seoul, Tel Aviv, Dubai, Doha, Hong Kong, Sao Paulo, Panama City, Barcelona, Casablanca, Copenhagen, Vancouver, Mexico City, Honolulu have been started since 2012 ... Mostly all but Mexico City from international/the local carrier. Furthermore, Delta has committed to establish a global hub in Boston and over the past two years have expanded their TATL market from 2xAMS, LHR and CDG ... to a Summer 2020 network of 2xCDG, 2xAMS, LHR, LGW, EDI, LIS, DUB, FCO and MAN. They are also poised to grow considerably further as time progresses. Also jetBlue is planning their own major expansion as they remain dominant in the Boston market as well. Logan in return has renovated all terminals, has a 13 gate expansion of their International terminal and an APM coming by 2024. The growth in the air market, which probably trumps any other airport/city, is pretty remarkable alone and shows how significant the Boston economy is.
I just see a lot of companies moving to Boston, a lot of additions to its economy, a lot of different types of development and gentrification within the center of the city and a huge demand to go there. I would place it in the top5 for transformative cities, because 2010 Boston is nothing like 2019 Boston.
Anyway these sort of things are easy to look up. There are information sites and databanks for this sort of thing are all over the Internet.
You could have done a better job with delivering your post if you had put in a little bit more effort into looking things up. Instead you just made something up without ever actually bothering to check the facts. For instance, I'm not saying this to incite competition but merely to state the facts but the tallest building actually built in Downtown Houston since 2010 (at 757 feet) is taller than any building built in the entire metropolitan areas of Atlanta, Boston, Dallas, and Washington DC. Though Boston's tallest built (Four Seasons Hotel & Residences) is only 15 feet shorter.
I've also provided pictures of the completed towers and pictures of the towers under construction, that's a safe guard because this forum seems to have descended into a fact-averse state these days. So I implore people to click on the links and see for themselves that these buildings actually exist. I'll do the 5 tallest built there.
1. 609 Main is 757 feet tall and was completed with construction in Downtown Houston in 2017.
There are several other highrises built in its downtown in addition to those five.
Also with regard to the "booming" statement, from 2017 to 2018, Greater Houston is still #3 in population growth in raw numbers (behind Dallas/Fort Worth and Phoenix) and #3 in job growth (behind New York and Dallas/Fort Worth) even after the so called "downturn in oil". It and Dallas/Fort Worth are the only MSAs to have added over 1 million people since 2010. There are facts and information available on that too all over the Internet from both the census bureau and the Bureau of Labor Statistics:
Houston's been at minimum in the Top 3 in population gains every year this decade by the way, and only dropped off in job growth for 2 calendar years of 2015 and 2016. Otherwise has been in the Top 5 every other year of this decade, including in the Top 3 for both 2018 and 2019.
This will likely be further supported and reflected in the GDP numbers that come out later in December for the fiscal year of 2018 as well. I'm not a Houston poster but your post was quite misinformed.
Whew! Thanks for the correction and effort that went into all that typing to set the record straight. The wiki page for Houston's tallest buildings didn't show many completions since 2010, but a couple under construction. I shouldn't have generalized based on that quick scan. Houston is on fire, but still not in my top three.
Houston is on fire, but still not in my top three.
Yeah, it's not in my Top 3 either. Not in my Top 5 for that matter either and barely in my Top 10 because it's growth is more spread apart between clusters than concentrated in one singular place. So the differences aren't as apparent or noticeable. Plus it is starting off with a large base to begin with. Unlike most cities that are just now getting a supertall, Houston already had 2 supertall buildings both in downtown at that, a supertall in the global context is any building above 300 meters and its downtown skyline already had a healthy number of talls. So 700 footers and 600 footers aren't going to even make much of a dent in its skyline view at all, it'll just get lost among all of the other buildings around that height or taller. This makes its downtown skyline look stagnant but it's really not. Downtown Houston's population is 7.5X larger today than it was in 2010 (it was barely 1,000 people in 2010 and now it's 7,600 and growing in 2019) and the number of residential units is equally larger today than it was in 2010, for instance. About 27 surface parking lots in its downtown have bitten the dust since 2010 and even more are slated to die.
My top three is Austin, Nashville, and Seattle. Miami is fourth only because it's base was already pretty large so the changes aren't as noticeable as it is in the smaller cities but even then you look at Miami in 2010 and Miami in 2019 and it's become a denser and more massive juggernaut of verticality in its core area. Austin is the fastest growing metropolitan area in the United States in population (by percentage), second behind San Jose in GDP economic growth (by percentage), and has been in a perpetual state of boom since 1997 with no stop (not even during the Great Recession). Since the year 2000 it has had 5 different buildings serve as the city's tallest and the current tallest was just completed earlier this year. Unfortunately for that building its replacement just started construction and two others in addition to that will replace the current tallest, bumping it down to #4 by 2023.
It's not the exact same angle but this should give you an idea of the changes in Austin this decade alone:
This 2019 photo will be outdated by next year and will be functionally obsolete by 2023.
Nashville in the last 3 years has joined the Austin and Seattle tier as well. I was recently in Nashville a few weeks ago. An entire wing of the city's central core is essentially under construction at this moment. The city is going through a complete urban overhaul. Cranes should be the state bird of Tennessee because that's all you see in Nashville nowadays.
Despite living in Japan, I like tuning into the changes occurring in boomtowns across the United States and Canada. You literally have cities going through a full scale metamorphosis in the core regions (e.g. Toronto, Vancouver, Austin, Nashville, Miami, Seattle).
Last edited by Trafalgar Law; 09-24-2019 at 12:58 PM..
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Fair assessment.
I need to check out Nashville real soon. Some of the nicer hotels seem to have NYC prices, indicating either that city is really in demand and/or hopefully more are under construction
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Yeah, it's not in my Top 3 either. Not in my Top 5 for that matter either and barely in my Top 10 because it's growth is more spread apart between clusters than concentrated in one singular place. So the differences aren't as apparent or noticeable. Plus it is starting off with a large base to begin with. Unlike most cities that are just now getting a supertall, Houston already had 2 supertall buildings both in downtown at that, a supertall in the global context is any building above 300 meters and its downtown skyline already had a healthy number of talls. So 700 footers and 600 footers aren't going to even make much of a dent in its skyline view at all, it'll just get lost among all of the other buildings around that height or taller. This makes its downtown skyline look stagnant but it's really not. Downtown Houston's population is 7.5X larger today than it was in 2010 (it was barely 1,000 in 2010 and now it's 7,600 and growing in 2019) and the number of residential units is equally larger today than it was in 2010, for instance. About 27 surface parking lots in its downtown have bitten the dust since 2010 and even more are slated to die.
My top three is Austin, Nashville, and Seattle. Miami is fourth only because it's base was already pretty large so the changes aren't as noticeable as it is in the smaller cities but even then you look at Miami in 2010 and Miami in 2019 and it's become a denser and more massive juggernaut of verticality in its core area. Austin is the fastest growing metropolitan area in the United States in population (by percentage), second behind San Jose in GDP economic growth (by percentage), and has been in a perpetual state of boom since 1997 with no stop (not even during the Great Recession). Since the year 2000 it has had 5 different buildings serve as the city's tallest and the current tallest was just completed earlier this year. Unfortunately for that building its replacement just started construction and two others in addition to that will replace the current tallest, bumping it down to #4 by 2022.
This 2019 photo will be outdated by next year and will be functionally obsolete by 2023.
Nashville in the last 3 years has joined the Austin and Seattle tier as well. I was recently in Nashville a few weeks ago. An entire wing of the city's central core is essentially under construction at this moment. The city is going through a complete urban overhaul. Cranes should be the state bird of Tennessee because that's all you see in Nashville nowadays.
Despite living in Japan, I like tuning into the changes occurring in boomtowns across the United States and Canada. You literally have cities going through a full scale metamorphosis in the core regions (e.g. Toronto, Vancouver, Austin, Nashville, Miami, Seattle).
Yeah Nashville is going through what I call a "superboom", something that only 2-3 other cities in all of the United States can relate to (i.e. Austin, Miami, Seattle). I took this picture while I was slowly driving and even it doesn't do it justice because I only captured half of the construction zone (I was driving lol):
You essentially have an entire wing of the urban core under construction there. It's very Austinesque in that regard. Miami is obviously on a whole different level of scale and scope but it reminded me of early 2000s core Miami, the metamorphosis is real.
That Charlotte, Nashville, and Austin aren't on this list is simply astounding.
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