Could Seattle become more dominant than San Francisco (live, state, largest)

[Joakim3]

Originally Posted by Chimérique

SF Bay Area is twice the population than the Seattle Metro.

Folks often talk of adding Austin MSA with San Antonio MSA or Milwaukee with Chicago.

Sacramento is closer to San Francisco than Milwaukee is to Chicago, or than Austin is to San Antonio.

So if you added Sacramento(MSA) to the Bay Area you would be adding 2.6 million to the Bay.

Probably never going to happen with any of the named places.

None of them are close enough to become combined CSA let alone fully integrated MSA's

They are simply to geographically seperated and due to it, their principle cities will always retain economic dominance in their immediate vicinity

[pnwguy2]

Originally Posted by Joakim3

Probably never going to happen with any of the named places.

None of them are close enough to become combined CSA let alone fully integrated MSA's

They are simply to geographically seperated and due to it, their principle cities will always retain economic dominance in their immediate vicinity

Agreed. Sacramento is a totally separated metro than the Bay Area. Won't ever be due to the delta.

[CCrest182]

Originally Posted by Chimérique

Sacramento is closer to San Francisco than Milwaukee is to Chicago

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No, they're actually roughly equal. Milwaukee is closer to metro Chicago (which ends in Kenosha) compared to Sacramento connecting to the Bay Area.

[Chicago_Person]

Originally Posted by mhays25

San Francisco is a city of 8,000,000 and Seattle is a little more than half that, broadly speaking.

City-of isn't terribly important...Seattle has more room to grow and is allowing a lot more growth...maybe we'll pass SF someday.

Downtowns...SF's core is quite a bit bigger and denser, but Seattle is growing at an astonishing pace, including way more highrises...we'll be a peer soon if this keeps going.

But I voted no overall. At least no anytime soon.

8 Million?? Uhh are you confusing SF with NYC?

[SnobbishDude]

Originally Posted by mhays25

I mean San Francisco is a city of 8,000,000. Or more like 9,000,000 apparently.

8,000,000? If SF has 8 million people, then it would explode.

8 million is the total population of all five boroughs of NYC(Manhattan/Brooklyn/Queens/Bronx/Staten Island) added together.

[mhays25]

That's all covered above. It could be worded that San Francisco (city of) is at the center of a city of 8,000,000.

This involves using the term "city" broadly as it's often used in urban studies, not narrowly like in poly sci.

[Joakim3]

Originally Posted by mhays25

That's all covered above. It could be worded that San Francisco (city of) is at the center of a city of 8,000,000.

This involves using the term "city" broadly as it's often used in urban studies, not narrowly like in poly sci.

Except it's the economic center of 4.7 million people

[18Montclair]

Originally Posted by Joakim3

Except it's the economic center of 4.7 million people

Yes and that 4.7 Million-person MSA is the principal component of a 9.6 milion-person CSA.

[18Montclair]

Originally Posted by Joakim3

Probably never going to happen with any of the named places.

None of them are close enough to become combined CSA let alone fully integrated MSA's

They are simply to geographically seperated and due to it, their principle cities will always retain economic dominance in their immediate vicinity

You dont appear to be aware of how MSAs and CSAs are created.

[Joakim3]

Originally Posted by 18Montclair

Yes and that 4.7 Million-person MSA is the principal component of a 9.6 milion-person CSA.

Originally Posted by 18Montclair

You dont appear to be aware of how MSAs and CSAs are created.

Key word being component

No one is arguing that San Fran as a city or metro is more dominant than Seattle. But this is San Fran vs. Seattle, not The Bay Area vs. Seattle.

CSA's are simply defined by traffic/employment interchange with a minimum of 15%. The social and economic criteria are significantly less stringent than an MSA.

There is a reason why the vast majority of city wide statistics use MSA as measurements, not CSA.