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And moderators.... please don't let the CSA boosters derail this thread......
No, the essence of this thread revolves around one city might supplant another and that is done regionally, not by city limits-otherwise youre saying Jacksonville and Ft Worth are more dominant than Boston or DC, which is preposterous.
There is no such thing as CSA 'boosting', however there is clearly a huge degree of ego driven civic boosterism against CSAs on CD.
The SF area is completely urban all the way past SJ. The Baltimore-DC corridor is low-density scattered suburban in the middle. It's not the same as all. Now put 100,000,000 sf of additional offices in the gap maybe the comparison would make sense.
Culturally the connection seems very different as well.
For example DC teams don't locate in Baltimore and vice versa -- that would never happen. But nobody bats an eye when a SF-named team plays at the SJ end of town.
We say "the Bay Area" and an outsider like me can say "SF area" and people get that it can mean the whole area. But "DMV" is apparently unknown to many of us on CD, which has come up when it's been mentioned. People still say DC or Baltimore.
The Census Department operates with absolute definitions, and they seem to be ok with San Francisco getting caught in a gray area. I've heard this is based on the width of the connecting corridor (due to protected hills alongside) rather than anything about how the larger city functions.
I find it odd that a county line through fairly urban and dense neighborhoods is somehow seen as a dividing point by some people. If the county line was moved five miles, would that change anything on the ground? No, but it would substantially change the definition of each MSA.
The SF area is completely urban all the way past SJ. The Baltimore-DC corridor is low-density scattered suburban in the middle. It's not the same as all. Now put 100,000,000 sf of additional offices in the gap maybe the comparison would make sense.
Culturally the connection seems very different as well.
For example DC teams don't locate in Baltimore and vice versa -- that would never happen. But nobody bats an eye when a SF-named team plays at the SJ end of town.
We say "the Bay Area" and an outsider like me can say "SF area" and people get that it can mean the whole area. But "DMV" is apparently unknown to many of us on CD, which has come up when it's been mentioned. People still say DC or Baltimore.
The Census Department operates with absolute definitions, and they seem to be ok with San Francisco getting caught in a gray area. I've heard this is based on the width of the connecting corridor (due to protected hills alongside) rather than anything about how the larger city functions.
I find it odd that a county line through fairly urban and dense neighborhoods is somehow seen as a dividing point by some people. If the county line was moved five miles, would that change anything on the ground? No, but it would substantially change the definition of each MSA.
I’ve lived in both or in between them for almost two decades and that’s the farthest thing from the truth. People separate DC & Baltimore because the cores cities are highly individualistic, not because their metros.
The 4 counties in between the cities hold almost 3 million people crushed in a 20 mile gap (beltway to beltway). The entire length of the Route 1 corridor is 100% urban built. Thats not even factoring Silver Spring, College Park, Fort Meade, Columbia, Elkridge, Arundel Mills & BWI all sit between the two cities. You are never more then 5 minutes form a 100% urban built area between the two cities
The DC-Baltimore region is also substantially denser then the SJ-SF-Oakland region. They have almost identical populations except DC-Baltimore does it with 2/3rd the land space 8600sq/mi vs 13,600sq/mi
Both regions of the county are unique as they lack one predominant metro, but are composed of a fusion of 2-3 which is why comparing their regions to a singular hub city like Seattle never tends to go in the laters favor.
Oh and DC-Baltimore region is a substantially denser then the SJ-SF-Oakland region. The have almost identical populations except DC-Baltimore does it with 2/3rd the land space 8600sq/mi vs 13,600sq/mi.
Hahaha the DC-Baltimore urban areas are not anywhere near as densely populated as SF-O-SJ
Urban Area Population Density:
San Francisco-Oakland, CA 6,266 per sq mile
San Jose, CA 5,820 per sq mile
Washington, DC-VA-MD 3,470 per sq mile
Baltimore, MD 3,073 per sq mile
I’ve lived in both or in between them for almost two decades and that’s the farthest thing from the truth. People separate DC & Baltimore because the cores cities are highly individualistic, not because their metros.
The 4 counties in between the cities hold almost 3 million people crushed in a 20 mile gap (beltway to beltway). The entire length of the Route 1 corridor is 100% urban built. Thats not even factoring Silver Spring, College Park, Fort Meade, Columbia, Elkridge, Arundel Mills & BWI all sit between the two cities. You are never more then 5 minutes form a 100% urban built area between the two cities
The DC-Baltimore region is also substantially denser then the SJ-SF-Oakland region. They have almost identical populations except DC-Baltimore does it with 2/3rd the land space 8600sq/mi vs 13,600sq/mi
Both regions of the county are unique as they lack one predominant metro, but are composed of a fusion of 2-3 which is why comparing their regions to a singular hub city like Seattle never tends to go in the laters favor.
DC-Baltimore cannot be denser than SF-SJ.
The lots are usually much bigger in DC and Baltimore and there are so much parkland and preserved area. The suburban areas of DC are very low density with huge lots amidst the forest.
Hahaha the DC-Baltimore urban areas are not anywhere near as densely populated as SF-O-SJ
Urban Area Population Density:
San Francisco-Oakland, CA 6,266 per sq mile
San Jose, CA 5,820 per sq mile
Washington, DC-VA-MD 3,470 per sq mile
Baltimore, MD 3,073 per sq mile
The lots are usually much bigger in DC and Baltimore and there are so much parkland and preserved area. The suburban areas of DC are very low density with huge lots amidst the forest.
SJ-SF-Oakland CSA comprises 13,621 sq/mi of land (Merced and Stanislaus counties were added last year which caused the density dip)
DC-Baltimore CSA comprises 12,630 sq/mi of land
Key word being region... not individual urban metro areas.
Try again, and actually respond to what I’m saying
No Im correcting/teaching you yet again. Metro Area population density is meaningless and does NOT present the reality of urban populations, the figure is diluted with hundreds if not thousands of sq miles of unincorporated land-that's being intellectually dishonest.
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