Could Seattle become more dominant than San Francisco (expensive, California, live)
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I have nothing negative to say about Seattle, it's a city whose star is rising fast and I have long considered its downtown among the nation's top 5.
They have many of the issues we face but perhaps to a lesser degree, but those arent deal breakers for me.
Every city has its positives and negatives. San Francisco has been so far ahead for so long that it seems impossible for Seattle to catch up. I mean, let’s be honest. Most people would prefer the climate of the Bay Area, it has a better food scene, it’s more urban, it has a richer history, and it’s much bigger. Culturally I think both cities have really taken a big hit in the past two decades, and LA more than any other city has been the beneficiary of that. And when tech relocates out of the Bay, it doesn’t just go to Seattle.
Plus, Seattle is already bursting at the seams. We have mountains and bays and lakes all around that really inhibit development. We are urbanizing at a rapid pace but trees don’t grow to the sky. I can’t imagine Seattle ever overtaking the Bay Area in my lifetime, barring some catastrophic event.
Seattle and SF share some characteristics and some problems for sure, but I think Seattle will continue to be the third city of the West Coast for quite some time. And I’m quite okay with that.
Haha you think this is a matter of opinion? CSAs are a matter of mathematics just like MSAs are.
And why are you so thirsty to inject DC-Baltimore into this conversation? No one here is remotely interested.
You are right, they are both mathematics and the mathematics show the MSAs are better at representing metro regions (I.e this thread). There is a reason the government uses MSAs for virtually all city statistics, not CSAs.
Because SF & DC boosters all sound the same every-time they use CSA's in any comparison thread
I'm not going to respond after this. I'm going to cordially agree to disagree with you and keep it moving.
Seattle is a very middling international flight market...both carriers, routes, and frequency.
That's after our international traffic already doubled in this decade, to somewhere in the 5-6 million-passenger range. When the new international arrivals facility opens next year, that logjam will disappear and maybe we'll get another jump.
Seattle is a very middling international flight market...both carriers, routes, and frequency.
That's after our international traffic already doubled in this decade, to somewhere in the 5-6 million-passenger range. When the new international arrivals facility opens next year, that logjam will disappear and maybe we'll get another jump.
Seattle actually does very well. 23 is far more than any western airport after LAX and SFO and probably ranks in the top 10 US airports as far as foreign carriers.
Every city has its positives and negatives. San Francisco has been so far ahead for so long that it seems impossible for Seattle to catch up. I mean, let’s be honest. Most people would prefer the climate of the Bay Area, it has a better food scene, it’s more urban, it has a richer history, and it’s much bigger. Culturally I think both cities have really taken a big hit in the past two decades, and LA more than any other city has been the beneficiary of that. And when tech relocates out of the Bay, it doesn’t just go to Seattle.
Plus, Seattle is already bursting at the seams. We have mountains and bays and lakes all around that really inhibit development. We are urbanizing at a rapid pace but trees don’t grow to the sky. I can’t imagine Seattle ever overtaking the Bay Area in my lifetime, barring some catastrophic event.
Seattle and SF share some characteristics and some problems for sure, but I think Seattle will continue to be the third city of the West Coast for quite some time. And I’m quite okay with that.
I agree with this Form an east coast and young (26 year old) perspective it seems that SF and Seattle both had larger more robust, and more far reaching cultures in the 1970s-1990s than they do now. I think their economic impact is bigger but they're so different from regular american and regular american cities they're culture just doesn't reach as far. Because they're so pricey the local culture has been dispersed. I look back at old movies and tv shows that are set in or have scenes in SF and SEA and it seems so outdated and foreign to me because its not at all how i perceive them now.
I agree with this Form an east coast and young (26 year old) perspective it seems that SF and Seattle both had larger more robust, and more far reaching cultures in the 1970s-1990s than they do now. I think their economic impact is bigger but they're so different from regular american and regular american cities they're culture just doesn't reach as far. Because they're so pricey the local culture has been dispersed. I look back at old movies and tv shows that are set in or have scenes in SF and SEA and it seems so outdated and foreign to me because its not at all how i perceive them now.
I would say 60s to 90s for the Bay Area and 80s and 90s for Seattle but I get what you're saying. Honestly I would say that during that time those cities had outsized cultural influence and impact given their respective sizes. They had scenes that were known and emulated across the country. Now that is not really the case anymore. They've become more generic tech cities, and although I do think the Seattle metro has done a better job of retaining its local culture than the Bay Area, both cities have swapped out their cultural impact for economic and technological impact.
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