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That sounds about right. Culturally this is clearly the case, which is more or less what I'm asking about. Philadelphia may indeed be more bourgeois and socially aware than, say, Cleveland. But to compare it in this way to Boston or Washington seems absurd.
Washington is its own planet. (And it's the most self-important city in the country. Washington might actually be a pleasant place to live if it weren't for Official Washingtonians.)
But I don't think it absurd to compare Philly to Boston. Just as you might say it's Detroit with better cultural institutions and a better restaurant scene, you could say it's Boston with more poor people. (And I think Philly's culinary scene outclasses Boston's as well.)
Bourgeois is the Opera House/Ballet fine art appreciated crowd not the Whole Foods/Brewery/Ax Throeing bar hipster right?
If it’s the former Cleveland has a pretty strong argument.
Doubt it. The Cleveland Ballet has closed a couple of times and the city went more than a decade without a company at all. If the American Ballet Theatre is worrying aloud about how to boost attendance (promoting Misty Copeland to principal went a long way in solving that problem), then I can only imagine what companies in smaller cities are going through.
Doubt it. The Cleveland Ballet has closed a couple of times and the city went more than a decade without a company at all. If the American Ballet Theatre is worrying aloud about how to boost attendance (promoting Misty Copeland to principal went a long way in solving that problem), then I can only imagine what companies in smaller cities are going through.
I meant high cultural institutions in general which are supported by the old money crowd not 25 year old Tech Bros not specifically the Ballet.
I meant high cultural institutions in general which are supported by the old money crowd not 25 year old Tech Bros not specifically the Ballet.
I know what you meant. My point was that the old money crowd can't be too big if the city went nearly 15 years without a ballet company.
The crowd in nearly every city that consistently supports the arts is small. Most ballets make their money off the Nutcracker and to a far lesser extent Swan Lake. Of those in attendance on any given night, few audience members know Odile is supposed to perform 32 fouette turns. That's becoming increasingly true in NYC and I'm sure it's even more true in Cleveland.
This is a reply to a thread I made in the general forum that got moved to the Detroit forum, asking if Detroit will ever build a subway line.
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Originally Posted by KoNgFooCj
And unfortunately when thanks to the auto industry, there was the least chance of it happening. Why didn't they build a subway or elevated line in the early 1900s. By 1915 Detroit was already the 4th largest city in the country behind 3 cities that all had started on rapid transit. Even Boston, the city it knocked out of 4th place had heavy rail.
Do you think the auto industry plotted against rail in Detroit that early on or were there other factors at play?
Last I checked on the poll there were 6 for no and 3 for yes (I voted yes, lol)
I guess that bourgeois and cosmopolitan can mean all kinds of things, but I'm talking about yuppie, politically and socially aware, well educated, white collar, etc.
You must be from Filthydelphia, otherwise, why would you have picked such weak competition?
Actually, any city where the local locals eat fresh horse manure off the streets cannot be expected to win a cosmopolitan contest, even against the likes of Detroit and St. Louis.
I know what you meant. My point was that the old money crowd can't be too big if the city went nearly 15 years without a ballet company.
The crowd in nearly every city that consistently supports the arts is small. Most ballets make their money off the Nutcracker and to a far lesser extent Swan Lake. Of those in attendance on any given night, few audience members know Odile is supposed to perform 32 fouette turns. That's becoming increasingly true in NYC and I'm sure it's even more true in Cleveland.
Remember though Cleveland is 1/8th the size of NYC so even 2x the support per capita is only 1/4th the support.
CSO, PlayhouseSq. The art museum outperform basically every peer city so I would say Cleveland is disproportionally bourgeois.
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