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1. Philadelphia - Most cosmopolitan
2. St Louis
3. Detroit
4. Pittsburgh
5. Cleveland
Philly for obvious reasons... St Louis is the kind of city you may see on a postcard with the Arch, the Cardinals are iconic, and it's a very well known and historic city in general. The other three really could all be tied in being not all that cosmopolitan.
1. Philadelphia - Most cosmopolitan
2. St Louis
3. Detroit
4. Pittsburgh
5. Cleveland
Philly for obvious reasons... St Louis is the kind of city you may see on a postcard with the Arch, the Cardinals are iconic, and it's a very well known and historic city in general. The other three really could all be tied in being not all that cosmopolitan.
I would agree with this. Philadelphia has a legacy that can outshine any city on this list as one of America's great cities. Philadelphia was at the top of its game when every other city on this list were coming into their own.
I can also say that numbers 2 through 5 could shift around based on certain information, but I will say that St. Louis gets severely slept on when it comes to cultural amenities.
For example, Grand Center has comeback to life as a theatre district, and I'm not just talking about the Fox. Old theatres have been rehabilitated across the city, and new ones have opened. The same can be said for museums. Organizations like the Kranzberg Foundation have been instrumental in helping artists in their arisric journeys but also with everyday stuff such as finding housing. There's frankly a lot going on that people don't know about here.
1. Philadelphia - Most cosmopolitan
2. St Louis
3. Detroit
4. Pittsburgh
5. Cleveland
Philly for obvious reasons... St Louis is the kind of city you may see on a postcard with the Arch, the Cardinals are iconic, and it's a very well known and historic city in general. The other three really could all be tied in being not all that cosmopolitan.
I guess you don't know any of the 3 cities you mentioned. Just a generalization.
1. Philadelphia - Most cosmopolitan
2. St Louis
3. Detroit
4. Pittsburgh
5. Cleveland
Philly for obvious reasons... St Louis is the kind of city you may see on a postcard with the Arch, the Cardinals are iconic, and it's a very well known and historic city in general. The other three really could all be tied in being not all that cosmopolitan.
Having the arch and a baseball team makes a city cosmopolitan? Does anyone posting this stuff even know what the word cosmopolitan means?
Aside from Philly and in some ways Detroit they all bat pretty lightly on immigration, international diversity, tourism, downtown retail, air connections, and so on, so I'd say not very cosmopolitan.
I know what you meant. My point was that the old money crowd can't be too big if the city went nearly 15 years without a ballet company.
The crowd in nearly every city that consistently supports the arts is small. Most ballets make their money off the Nutcracker and to a far lesser extent Swan Lake. Of those in attendance on any given night, few audience members know Odile is supposed to perform 32 fouette turns. That's becoming increasingly true in NYC and I'm sure it's even more true in Cleveland.
Then I guess Philly, which supports not only two ballet companies (the traditional Pennsylvania Ballet and the avant-garde BalletX) but also an internationally acclaimed modern (African-American) dance company a la Alvin Ailey (Philadanco! [the Philadelphia Dance Company]) is an outlier on the bourgeois scale here, and Cleveland would be more of a peer were it able to consistently support dance. (The Cleveland and Philadelphia orchestras comprise two of the "Big Five", Cleveland's and Philadelphia's art museums are peers, and Philly has a varied theater scene with a long historical pedigree - it's home to the oldest theater in the nation, the Walnut Street Theater, and has enough producing companies to support an annual awards program, the Barrymore Awards, named for the famous acting family from this city.)
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Originally Posted by KoNgFooCj
This is a reply to a thread I made in the general forum that got moved to the Detroit forum, asking if Detroit will ever build a subway line.
Last I checked on the poll there were 6 for no and 3 for yes (I voted yes, lol)
Detroit's downtown people mover was supposed to connect to a system of subway lines that converged on the center via the main radial streets, much like Miami's serves as a circulator for riders of its one elevated rapid transit line. Only the subways never got built in the 1970s either. And that was at least the second time Detroit tried to build rapid transit (the first happened right after World War II, as the city's freeway network was taking shape; some of the lines were supposed to run down the freeway medians as they do in Chicago).
That doesn't augur well for a third (or fourth?) attempt.
Then I guess Philly, which supports not only two ballet companies (the traditional Pennsylvania Ballet and the avant-garde BalletX) but also an internationally acclaimed modern (African-American) dance company a la Alvin Ailey (Philadanco! [the Philadelphia Dance Company]) is an outlier on the bourgeois scale here, and Cleveland would be more of a peer were it able to consistently support dance. (The Cleveland and Philadelphia orchestras comprise two of the "Big Five", Cleveland's and Philadelphia's art museums are peers, and Philly has a varied theater scene with a long historical pedigree - it's home to the oldest theater in the nation, the Walnut Street Theater, and has enough producing companies to support an annual awards program, the Barrymore Awards, named for the famous acting family from this city.)
Detroit's downtown people mover was supposed to connect to a system of subway lines that converged on the center via the main radial streets, much like Miami's serves as a circulator for riders of its one elevated rapid transit line. Only the subways never got built in the 1970s either. And that was at least the second time Detroit tried to build rapid transit (the first happened right after World War II, as the city's freeway network was taking shape; some of the lines were supposed to run down the freeway medians as they do in Chicago).
That doesn't augur well for a third (or fourth?) attempt.
Then I guess Philly, which supports not only two ballet companies (the traditional Pennsylvania Ballet and the avant-garde BalletX) but also an internationally acclaimed modern (African-American) dance company a la Alvin Ailey (Philadanco! [the Philadelphia Dance Company]) is an outlier on the bourgeois scale here, and Cleveland would be more of a peer were it able to consistently support dance. (The Cleveland and Philadelphia orchestras comprise two of the "Big Five", Cleveland's and Philadelphia's art museums are peers, and Philly has a varied theater scene with a long historical pedigree - it's home to the oldest theater in the nation, the Walnut Street Theater, and has enough producing companies to support an annual awards program, the Barrymore Awards, named for the famous acting family from this city.)
Detroit's downtown people mover was supposed to connect to a system of subway lines that converged on the center via the main radial streets, much like Miami's serves as a circulator for riders of its one elevated rapid transit line. Only the subways never got built in the 1970s either. And that was at least the second time Detroit tried to build rapid transit (the first happened right after World War II, as the city's freeway network was taking shape; some of the lines were supposed to run down the freeway medians as they do in Chicago).
That doesn't augur well for a third (or fourth?) attempt.
Big Five is a historic designation. It should be noted that the Pittsburgh Symphony Orchestra has eclipsed Philly's, in recent years:
Then I guess Philly, which supports not only two ballet companies (the traditional Pennsylvania Ballet and the avant-garde BalletX) but also an internationally acclaimed modern (African-American) dance company a la Alvin Ailey (Philadanco! [the Philadelphia Dance Company]) is an outlier on the bourgeois scale here, and Cleveland would be more of a peer were it able to consistently support dance. (The Cleveland and Philadelphia orchestras comprise two of the "Big Five", Cleveland's and Philadelphia's art museums are peers, and Philly has a varied theater scene with a long historical pedigree - it's home to the oldest theater in the nation, the Walnut Street Theater, and has enough producing companies to support an annual awards program, the Barrymore Awards, named for the famous acting family from this city.)
Btw, the dance community in Phila. is much larger and far ranging than your samples. Some of it is driven by the dance program at UArts( why are you not mentioning the fact that Philadelphia has a university devoted solely to the arts?!). Folks like Brian Sander's JUNK, Koresh and Footwerks. There's an entire tap world of serious hoofers in the region that you are ignorant of. Some of the local tap world came out of Philadanco's school.
Then there's Philly Fringe. Did anyone mention it?
Alvin Ailey is not what it was because its lost its inspirational leadership one of whom is a Philadelphia native and got all of her initial training in Phila. Joan Myers Brown is still very much in charge of Philadanco.
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