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Old 08-21-2019, 09:00 AM
 
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1. Philadelphia - Most cosmopolitan
2. St Louis
3. Detroit
4. Pittsburgh
5. Cleveland

Philly for obvious reasons... St Louis is the kind of city you may see on a postcard with the Arch, the Cardinals are iconic, and it's a very well known and historic city in general. The other three really could all be tied in being not all that cosmopolitan.
Odd that you are pretending like Pittsburgh, Detroit, and Cleveland aren't historic cities with well known sports teams but somehow St. Louis is.
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Old 08-21-2019, 09:22 AM
 
Location: Germantown, Philadelphia
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Then there's Philly Fringe. Did anyone mention it?
Fringe Arts has moved from mere festival to producing company. It even has its own theater on the Delaware riverfront. The festival does warrant special mention, as I think it's the largest American analogue to the famed Fringe Festival in Edinburgh, but I'd include it in that "varied theater community" I mentioned in my prior comment.

Point taken on Joan Myers Brown - the Ailey company is trading on its reputation while Philadanco! continues to push the envelope.
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Old 08-21-2019, 02:20 PM
 
Location: Paris
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Another good stat - 5 star hotel offerings.

Philadelphia has 4, with a 5th on the way. I don't believe Detroit (or the others have any) have any. The Ritz in St. Louis is a 4 star (surprising).
How is it a good stat if you don't actually know the numbers? St. Louis for example has a Four Seasons downtown that is 5 stars (weirdly on the date I just put in (Tuesday in the beginning of Nov) a room there is $505 a night vs $629 a night at the "4.5" star Ritz.).
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Old 08-21-2019, 04:14 PM
 
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Big Five is a historic designation. It should be noted that the Pittsburgh Symphony Orchestra has eclipsed Philly's, in recent years:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/08/a...ln-center.html
I didn't see anything in that article, which was very nice, btw, that suggests what you are saying at all.

Yannick Nezet-Seguin is not only the music director of the Philadelphia Orch. but has the title of music director-designate with the NY Metropolitan Opera. Obviously there's a big reason he got the latter job: he's done a phenomenal job in Phila.

The Pittsburgh Symphony used to have a summer residence in suburban Phila, on Temple's old Ambler, PA campus during the Steinberg and Previn years.
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Old 08-21-2019, 04:20 PM
 
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Fringe Arts has moved from mere festival to producing company. It even has its own theater on the Delaware riverfront. The festival does warrant special mention, as I think it's the largest American analogue to the famed Fringe Festival in Edinburgh, but I'd include it in that "varied theater community" I mentioned in my prior comment.

Point taken on Joan Myers Brown - the Ailey company is trading on its reputation while Philadanco! continues to push the envelope.
Thanks, but I am very aware of what Fringe was and is.
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Old 08-22-2019, 01:05 AM
 
Location: The canyon (with my pistols and knife)
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Actually, any city where the local locals eat fresh horse manure off the streets cannot be expected to win a cosmopolitan contest, even against the likes of Detroit and St. Louis.
Yeah, it's much more cosmopolitan to step in piles of human **** on the sidewalk instead.
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Old 08-22-2019, 05:42 AM
 
Location: Cleveland and Columbus OH
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I know what you meant. My point was that the old money crowd can't be too big if the city went nearly 15 years without a ballet company.

The crowd in nearly every city that consistently supports the arts is small. Most ballets make their money off the Nutcracker and to a far lesser extent Swan Lake. Of those in attendance on any given night, few audience members know Odile is supposed to perform 32 fouette turns. That's becoming increasingly true in NYC and I'm sure it's even more true in Cleveland.
Cleveland Ballet has been back since 2014, and its absence was felt. But are we really pretending that ballet is on the same level as orchestras?

I went to see the Golden Cockerel at the Met a few years ago, it was about half full.
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Old 08-22-2019, 07:07 AM
 
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Cleveland Ballet has been back since 2014, and its absence was felt. But are we really pretending that ballet is on the same level as orchestras?

I went to see the Golden Cockerel at the Met a few years ago, it was about half full.
If we're ranking classic performing arts, we have to value the symphony, ballet and opera.
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Old 08-22-2019, 07:28 AM
 
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Yeah, it's much more cosmopolitan to step in piles of human **** on the sidewalk instead.
Don't know what the nice people in Philadelphia are doing these days, but the alternative to not eating excrement is not, in fact, stepping in it instead. As a very general rule, cosmopolitanism requires one to avoid both eating and stepping in poo.
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Old 08-22-2019, 08:39 AM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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Cleveland Ballet has been back since 2014, and its absence was felt. But are we really pretending that ballet is on the same level as orchestras?
I don't think one is really above the other. That's like asking whether having an NFL team is more meaningful than having an NBA team.
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