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Old 08-12-2019, 08:07 AM
 
Location: Louisville
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Aren't Detroit's suburbs more blue-collar, working class with pockets of real wealth in Oakland County?
There are pockets of wealth Wayne County as well, the most obvious being the Grosse Pointes, and lesser known Plymouth/Northville areas.
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Old 08-12-2019, 08:07 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia, PA
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Interesting that Philadelphia was thrown into the mix.



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Based on the criteria of:

*Flight Connectivity
*Economy (number of white collar vs. blue collar jobs, size number of Fortune 500 HQs, etc.)
*Size of theatre district
*Wealth of city proper and/or suburbs
*Number of professional sports teams
*Proximity to major research university
*Size of museum district
*International migration and connectivity

Of the list (metro area):

1. Phildelphia
2. Detroit

...big gap...

3. Cleveland
4. St. Louis
5. Pittsburgh
Wouldn't you agree there is also a big gap between Philadelphia and Detroit?
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Old 08-12-2019, 08:09 AM
 
Location: Odenton, MD
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Phildelphia by a country mile for reason already stated
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Old 08-12-2019, 08:25 AM
 
Location: Pittsburgh, PA (Morningside)
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Is Detroit really so clearly ahead of Pittsburgh/St. Louis/Cleveland here?
The OP specified metro area, not city, which I think is the key thing.

In Detroit, aside from a relatively small group of people in the Downtown/Midtown area, virtually all of the yuppie types are in suburbia.

In Pittsburgh, most of the rich yuppie-type neighborhoods are inside city limits. Indeed, I can only really think of a handful of suburbs (Aspinwall, Regent Square area, Mt. Lebanon) which really attract that kind of person at all.

St. Louis and Cleveland are sort of in the middle, though my general impression is there's more of an urban yuppie contingent in St. Louis than Cleveland.
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Old 08-12-2019, 08:45 AM
 
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The OP specified metro area, not city, which I think is the key thing.

St. Louis and Cleveland are sort of in the middle, though my general impression is there's more of an urban yuppie contingent in St. Louis than Cleveland.
Not so sure about that. Both cities are fairly equal in this regard. Maybe St. Louis has a slight edge when you include Forest Park, Soulard, Tower Grove, a few parts of Lafayette Square and Central West End ... but then again, Cleveland balances with Edgewater, Shaker Square, Ohio City, Tremont, West Park, University Circle/Little Italy, portions of lower Glenville and portions of Old Brooklyn and Brooklyn Centre ... and even a few blocks of North Collinwood along the Lake (Manhattan Beach?) ... In addition Cleveland's downtown is considerably more robust in terms of residential population, esp upscale residents, and growth compared to St. Louis, esp in the last 2 decades ...

... so I think these cities are pretty even in this sense... Cleveland may even have a slight edge.
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Old 08-12-2019, 08:49 AM
 
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Interesting that Philadelphia was thrown into the mix.




Wouldn't you agree there is also a big gap between Philadelphia and Detroit?
No.

Metro Detroit has legacy attributes from the days it was a top 4/5 metro (along side Philadelphia) and a major immigration magnet that puts it way above its non-Chicago midwest peers despite its stagnant growth and economic decline since the 1970s.

*International airport hub
*2nd largest theatre in the country
*2nd largest public art museum in the country
*Largest urban park in the country
*2nd largest African-American museum in the country
*Largest Arab-American museum in the country
*Top 10 wealthiest metro
*15 Fortune 500 companies
*4 professional sports teams

And while it doesn't have a major research university in the city proper, it does have the University of Michigan within its combined statisical area and within commuting distance to the city.
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Old 08-12-2019, 09:15 AM
 
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No.

Metro Detroit has legacy attributes from the days it was a top 4/5 metro (along side Philadelphia) and a major immigration magnet that puts it way above its non-Chicago midwest peers despite its stagnant growth and economic decline since the 1970s.

*International airport hub
*2nd largest theatre in the country
*2nd largest public art museum in the country
*Largest urban park in the country
*2nd largest African-American museum in the country
*Largest Arab-American museum in the country
*Top 10 wealthiest metro
*15 Fortune 500 companies
*4 professional sports teams

And while it doesn't have a major research university in the city proper, it does have the University of Michigan within its combined statisical area and within commuting distance to the city.
Wayne State, though not as prestigious as UM or MSU, is considered a major research university ... and its reputation is growing (as well as the quality and livability of WSU's urban/walking Midtown neighborhood).
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Old 08-12-2019, 09:15 AM
 
Location: Brooklyn, NY
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1. Philadelphia
2. Detroit
3. Pittsburgh
4. St Louis
5. Cleveland
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Old 08-12-2019, 09:15 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia, PA
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No.

Metro Detroit has legacy attributes from the days it was a top 4/5 metro (along side Philadelphia) and a major immigration magnet that puts it way above its non-Chicago midwest peers despite its stagnant growth and economic decline since the 1970s.

*International airport hub
*2nd largest theatre in the country
*2nd largest public art museum in the country
*Largest urban park in the country
*2nd largest African-American museum in the country
*Largest Arab-American museum in the country
*Top 10 wealthiest metro
*15 Fortune 500 companies
*4 professional sports teams

And while it doesn't have a major research university in the city proper, it does have the University of Michigan within its combined statisical area and within commuting distance to the city.

Rouge Park? I thought that title went to Chugach State Park. I also thought Playhouse Square in Cleveland took the cake for theater districts outside of NYC.

Can you also share the source for the top 10 wealthiest metro?

I have visited Detroit and Ann Arbor, and while the metro does have a lot of wealth and cosmopolitanism (yes, your airport is great), I just think there is a clear gap between Philly and Detroit.
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Old 08-12-2019, 09:24 AM
 
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No.

Metro Detroit has legacy attributes from the days it was a top 4/5 metro (along side Philadelphia) and a major immigration magnet that puts it way above its non-Chicago midwest peers despite its stagnant growth and economic decline since the 1970s.

*International airport hub
*2nd largest theatre in the country
*2nd largest public art museum in the country
*Largest urban park in the country
*2nd largest African-American museum in the country
*Largest Arab-American museum in the country
*Top 10 wealthiest metro
*15 Fortune 500 companies
*4 professional sports teams

And while it doesn't have a major research university in the city proper, it does have the University of Michigan within its combined statisical area and within commuting distance to the city.
Uhh, which park in Detroit is the "largest urban park in the country"? I believe this is an inaccurate claim.
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