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Old 08-12-2019, 06:57 AM
 
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I guess that bourgeois and cosmopolitan can mean all kinds of things, but I'm talking about yuppie, politically and socially aware, well educated, white collar, etc.
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Old 08-12-2019, 07:06 AM
 
Location: New York City
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Philadelphia... big gap...Detroit...St. Louis / Pittsburgh...Cleveland.

The Philadelphia metro is by far the largest of that group and has the highest concentration of "things" that most would define as cosmopolitan and bourgeois culture.

I think all of these metros have a lot of understated wealth (Detroit for sure), but if we are looking at the big picture, there is no argument against Philadelphia as number 1, and that isn't changing.


Philadelphia and Detroit share the commonality where the majority of the wealth is actually in the burbs rather than the city, but what separates Philadelphia from Detroit is its size, more robust/diverse economy, Northeastern corridor location, a much more developed downtown/university district, and higher amounts of wealth and investment in the region.

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Old 08-12-2019, 07:07 AM
 
Location: Tampa - St. Louis
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1. Philadelphia
2. St. Louis
3. Pittsburgh
4. Detroit
5. Cleveland

Pittsburgh and St. Louis could easily swap. Detroit and Cleveland could easily swap. Philadelphia is the clear winner.
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Old 08-12-2019, 07:28 AM
 
Location: Baltimore
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Philadelphia by several miles
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Old 08-12-2019, 07:38 AM
 
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Based on the criteria of:

*Flight Connectivity
*Economy (number of white collar vs. blue collar jobs, size number of Fortune 500 HQs, etc.)
*Size of theatre district
*Wealth of city proper and/or suburbs
*Number of professional sports teams
*Proximity to major research university
*Size of museum district
*International migration and connectivity

Of the list (metro area):

1. Phildelphia
2. Detroit

...big gap...

3. Cleveland
4. St. Louis
5. Pittsburgh

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Old 08-12-2019, 07:54 AM
 
Location: Boston Metrowest (via the Philly area)
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As others have alluded to, Philadelphia is definitely the odd one out here due to being a much larger metro than most of the other contenders, very historically wealthy/"old money" and within in highly cosmopolitan Northeast Corridor.

Detroit would certainly come the closest but still within a tier below Philly.
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Old 08-12-2019, 07:56 AM
 
Location: East Coast
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This with 4&5 interchangeable ☝️
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Old 08-12-2019, 07:57 AM
 
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Is Detroit really so clearly ahead of Pittsburgh/St. Louis/Cleveland here?
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Old 08-12-2019, 08:00 AM
 
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Is Detroit really so clearly ahead of Pittsburgh/St. Louis/Cleveland here?
Metro Detroit is clearly ahead of Metro Pittsburgh/St. Louis/Cleveland
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Old 08-12-2019, 08:03 AM
 
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Metro Detroit is clearly ahead of Metro Pittsburgh/St. Louis/Cleveland
Aren't Detroit's suburbs more blue-collar, working class with pockets of real wealth in Oakland County?
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