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These endless debates on how big Boston is with suburbs/cities surrounding Boston Proper should be considered as if the city-proper and her again.... that downtown Boston is really these neighborhoods added or not or is or isn't or should be or will be or ........ No other city has such a debate. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Why doesn't Boston define for itself .... its principle CBD and borders of this area as its principle downtown. I already posted links in threads Chicago's city portal link does when people try to say it is just the Loop. Still it is not extra-generous at all its Old Town is excluded and most of the Gold Coast neighborhood that some might see still as in the mix? Philadelphia also have adding of a Greater Center City that never officially ever changes but for those who add blocks they feel are worthy today.
Boston seems to be on a whole other level of size and where to draw this imagined line that gets argued by the same people. Another aspect of stretching is what Real Estate links do where Greater Cores and Downtowns are called "Downtown Living" by them and stretches it to a Greatest of Greater downtown regions .....
Bsoton likes to see itself as a lot smaller than it actually is. Older Bostonians and the City of Boston downplay how significant it actually is. So it creates this big headache.
If Boston did something similar to what NYC Did with its boroughs, it would be easier to undrstand Boston's actual size. I recommend the Core analogy
That would give Boston a population of 1.317 million people exactly in a land area of 114.88 square miles. If it was unde the same city, things would be wayyyy easier. Better projects, more housing, less NIMBYism, and a better understanding of how Boston's core actually is.
Id push for the agglomeration of these towns, and possibly the addition of others like Malden, Medford, Milton, Lynn and Arlington. Boston is way too divided because it makes it so hard to decifer things like in this debate.
Beause its like, do we count Copley/Back Bay? How about Cambridge's booming dense skyline? Does West End's 6 new towers count?
Bsoton likes to see itself as a lot smaller than it actually is. Older Bostonians and the City of Boston downplay how significant it actually is. So it creates this big headache.
If Boston did something similar to what NYC Did with its boroughs, it would be easier to undrstand Boston's actual size. I recommend the Core analogy
That would give Boston a population of 1.317 million people exactly in a land area of 114.88 square miles. If it was unde the same city, things would be wayyyy easier. Better projects, more housing, less NIMBYism, and a better understanding of how Boston's core actually is.
Id push for the agglomeration of these towns, and possibly the addition of others like Malden, Medford, Milton, Lynn and Arlington. Boston is way too divided because it makes it so hard to decifer things like in this debate.
Beause its like, do we count Copley/Back Bay? How about Cambridge's booming dense skyline? Does West End's 6 new towers count?
Because we all want to be part of Boston Public Schools.
This is like a pipe dream. Places like Newton and Brookline exist to not be part of Boston.
Because we all want to be part of Boston Public Schools.
This is like a pipe dream. Places like Newton and Brookline exist to not be part of Boston.
Literally. They literally exist to NOT be a part of Boston.
And as it is now, none of these towns want to be a part of one another. They’re all different. In other words the maturation of towns in the Boston area is complete and these towns are too culturally distinct.
Because we all want to be part of Boston Public Schools.
This is like a pipe dream. Places like Newton and Brookline exist to not be part of Boston.
Really do just wish Massachoisetts suggests would have came to fruition..all of these different local governments isn’t practical
Also consider how these areas function for people that live day to day
People living in Brookline at Coolidge corner have as easy of access to every Boston amenity or more as someone living in Boston’s Brighton neighborhood
Really don’t want to get into this again
Literally. They literally exist to NOT be a part of Boston.
And as it is now, none of these towns want to be a part of one another. They’re all different. In other words the maturation of towns in the Boston area is complete and these towns are too culturally distinct.
When I read about Toronto’s agglomeration in 1998, it sounded like the municipalities didn’t have a choice in the matter. Could the MA state government force the consolidation of the cities, or maybe at least a few services.
When I read about Toronto’s agglomeration in 1998, it sounded like the municipalities didn’t have a choice in the matter. Could the MA state government force the consolidation of the cities, or maybe at least a few services.
Not a chance. Metropolitan Toronto as it was had only existed since 1954. (1967 actually, 7 minor merges) Toronto only became a major city near the turn of the 20th century. Maybe 15 years before Boston did its last annexation..the cultures of those areas wasnt as set as in Greater Boston 2020
It worth noting Old Toronto is comparable to Boston in size. But its much denser. Old Toronto is 37 square miles with a population of 800k-more akin to San Francisco really.
Really do just wish Massachoisetts suggests would have came to fruition..all of these different local governments isn’t practical
Also consider how these areas function for people that live day to day
People living in Brookline at Coolidge corner have as easy of access to every Boston amenity or more as someone living in Boston’s Brighton neighborhood
Really don’t want to get into this again
Massachusetts really isn’t that bad. The whole state only has 352 towns. NJ has like 750.
St Louis County has 88 towns. There is what? 29-31 towns inside 128?
Literally. They literally exist to NOT be a part of Boston.
And as it is now, none of these towns want to be a part of one another. They’re all different. In other words the maturation of towns in the Boston area is complete and these towns are too culturally distinct.
Even Chelsea when Boston basically offered to bail it out in like 1998 told them to F off.
Massachusetts really isn’t that bad. The whole state only has 352 towns. NJ has like 750.
St Louis County has 88 towns. There is what? 29-31 towns inside 128?
I dont think NJ is the best example. Nor is STL. Your comparing apples to oranges.
STL land area is massive. As is Philadelphia, NYC, Chicago, Balitmore, etc...
If Boston annexed maybe 6-10 towns to be the equivalent of said cities or close to it, it would be better for everyone.
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