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Not a sliver of San Francisco is anywhere comparable to cleanliness as Chicago is. I mean, come on, California is suffering from our homeless epidemic and it's not anywhere near as bad in cities like New York or Chicago.
And Paris scale infrastructure? Not in a million years is anything in that city comparable to Paris! Never heard that before...... at all.
Yes, I chuckled at the San Francisco = Paris scale. Paris is orders of magnitude larger in terms of infrastructure and nearly everything else. Not comparable. And Paris is even one scale greater than Chicago (fun fact, I’m typing this from Paris).
Yes, I chuckled at the San Francisco = Paris scale. Paris is orders of magnitude larger in terms of infrastructure and nearly everything else. Not comparable. And Paris is even one scale greater than Chicago (fun fact, I’m typing this from Paris).
I would argue that Paris is orders of magnitude more urban than both cities. In terms of structural density, population density, transit, walkability, Paris absolutely runs circles around both Chicago and SF.
Just as an example, with over 53,000 people per square mile, Paris would have about 12 million people if it were the same size as Chicago.
I would argue that Paris is orders of magnitude more urban than both cities. In terms of structural density, population density, transit, walkability, Paris absolutely runs circles around both Chicago and SF.
Just as an example, with over 53,000 people per square mile, Paris would have about 12 million people if it were the same size as Chicago.
The only American municipal that exceeds Paris is Manhattan. That being said Athens, Greece is just as dense as Paris with 670k living in 15 sq/mi, granted the density drops off a lot once the surrounding Greater Athens is including with "only" 3.2million in 159 sq/mi
Outside NYC, European cities as a whole are usually significantly denser than their American counterparts
I would argue that Paris is orders of magnitude more urban than both cities. In terms of structural density, population density, transit, walkability, Paris absolutely runs circles around both Chicago and SF.
Just as an example, with over 53,000 people per square mile, Paris would have about 12 million people if it were the same size as Chicago.
Yeah, but that's not the point. The only U.S. city that meets Paris -- and exceeds it in most circumstances -- is NY. I just found the proposed equivalence of infrastructure between SF and Paris to be humorous.
Yeah, but that's not the point. The only U.S. city that meets Paris -- and exceeds it in most circumstances -- is NY. I just found the proposed equivalence of infrastructure between SF and Paris to be humorous.
Yeah, I agree. I was just saying it's an equally ridiculous comparison for both cities.
I imagine what that poster was trying to get at is that San Francisco's tighter urban fabric and narrower streets resemble Paris more than Chicago's streets and urban fabric, but Paris is so far ahead of SF in those areas that - again - it's a ridiculous comparison.
However, I don't think it would be totally off-base to say that San Francisco's compact urban fabric more closely resembles a typical European layout than Chicago's.
Last edited by Vincent_Adultman; 09-19-2019 at 04:57 PM..
Although San Francisco is smaller than Chicago in population and square miles (46.7 square miles vs 227.63 square miles) it feels a bit more urban than Chicago IMHO.
Although San Francisco is smaller than Chicago in population and square miles (46.7 square miles vs 227.63 square miles) it feels a bit more urban than Chicago IMHO.
If I trimmed Chicago down to 46 square miles and chopped down the many, many more skyscrapers to low-mid and high rises then spread them out lot by lot over that 46 square miles along with our housing/building stock what do you think the density of that landscape would look like?
Last edited by IronWright; 09-19-2019 at 06:41 PM..
This is like comparing Chicago to Manhattan, Chicago's core is a couple tiers above San Francisco's in scale and volume, there's probably 4 downtown S.F's in Chicago's greater downtown. 20 years ago nobody would have mentioned San Francisco as Chicago's peer. I still don't know what transformation took place that boosted the confidence to this degree. Chicago still has 50+ high-rises/skyscrapres under constrcution at any given time. No gap has been closed here. I guess because San Francisco has greatly increased it's downtown footprint it gives the false sense that it equals Chicago but Chicago is also expanding at an even greater rate but it has much less visual or psychological impact. Philadelhphians have this same complex. It's like me completely ignoring the growth taking place in Midtown because the South and West Loop have doubled in scale so now I believe we are actually competing.
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