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I get your point, and its been made before, but get real - nobody is drivng 2 hours then parking to take public transit, on a daily basis. doing it from a nearby city is a completely different situation. a 2 hour drive is not something anybody would , or should, put up with
That happens a lot in the Bay Area, like by the thousands, I feel sorry for them.
That happens a lot in the Bay Area, like by the thousands, I feel sorry for them.
oh you're saying from silicon valley to SF, well I guess some do, but it not the same in Columbus to Cleveland lol there is not the housing price crunch there or density to make that situation. anyone doing that for any length of time would have to be a complete moron.
I get your point, and its been made before, but get real - nobody is drivng 2 hours then parking to take public transit, on a daily basis. doing it from a nearby city is a completely different situation. a 2 hour drive is not something anybody would , or should, put up with
I don't think you do get the point. Regardless of distance from home to rail station, taking the train into downtowns with expensive and difficult to find parking can be much more cost effective over the long term for commuters (depending of course on how long the train ride is--the time factor is important.)
Apart from NYC, it looks like we all clearly can improve
2018 Large Metro Areas by Number of Workers Who Commute on Public Transit
3,002,997 New York
570,283 Chicago
435,731 Washington DC
418,474 San Francisco
342,679 Boston
309,731 Los Angeles
291,863 Philadelphia
219,480 Seattle
93,806 Miami
87,794 Minneapolis
87,598 Atlanta
84,513 Baltimore
77,754 Portland
64,852 Houston
63,792 Pittsburgh
60,338 Denver
49,527 Dallas
43,630 San Diego
40,630 Phoenix
40,414 San Jose
34,080 Las Vegas
28,485 St Louis
26,878 Cleveland
26,553 Detroit
24,713 Riverside
24,129 Sacramento
21,435 Austin
20,802 San Antonio
20,458 Milwaukee
19,700 Salt Lake City
19,536 Charlotte
18,994 Tampa
18,820 Providence
18,288 Cincinnati
17,364 Columbus
16,684 Orlando
16,579 Buffalo
15,955 Hartford
14,720 New Orleans
12,416 Virginia Beach
11,080 Richmond
9,860 Kansas City
9,647 Tucson
9,444 Indianapolis
8,072 Nashville
7,298 Grand Rapids
6,881 Jacksonville
6,447 Raleigh
4,262 Oklahoma City
4,246 Fresno
4,053 Memphis
2,313 Tulsa
2018 Metro Areas( MSA) Percentage of Workers Who Commute on Public Transit
30.9% New York
17.3% San Francisco
13.2% Boston
13.0% Washington DC
12.1% Chicago
10.7% Seattle
9.8% Philadelphia
6.1% Portland
6.0% Baltimore
5.6% Pittsburgh
4.8% Los Angeles
4.5% Minneapolis
4.0% San Jose
3.8% Fresno
3.3% Las Vegas
3.2% Salt Lake City
3.1% Buffalo
3.1% Miami
3.0% Atlanta
2.7% Cleveland
2.6% Hartford
2.6% New Orleans
2.6% Milwaukee
2.6% San Diego
2.4% Providence
2.2% Sacramento
2.1% St Louis
2.1% Tucson
2.0% Houston
1.9% Austin
1.8% Phoenix
1.8% San Antonio
1.7% Cincinnati
1.7% Columbus
1.7% Richmond
1.5% Charlotte
1.4% Grand Rapids
1.4% Virginia Beach
1.3% Dallas
1.3% Detroit
1.3% Orlando
1.3% Tampa
1.2% Riverside
1.1% Fresno
0.9% Indianapolis
0.9% Jacksonville
0.9% Kansas City
0.9% Raleigh
0.8% Nashville
0.7% Memphis
0.6% Oklahoma City
0.5% Tulsa
From data.census.gov
LA has a low usage, but it is increasing, I believe. Year to year percentage change would be interesting to see. Why are the Ohio metros so low? They are long established systems, especially Cleveland. Pittsburgh, Baltimore and Portland are all doing much better by comparison.
oh you're saying from silicon valley to SF, well I guess some do, but it not the same in Columbus to Cleveland lol there is not the housing price crunch there or density to make that situation. anyone doing that for any length of time would have to be a complete moron.
No I mean all the way from the Central Valley and Sierra Foothills to the Bay Area, yes due to the housing mess.
Apart from NYC, it looks like we all clearly can improve
2018 Large Metro Areas by Number of Workers Who Commute on Public Transit
3,002,997 New York
570,283 Chicago
435,731 Washington DC
418,474 San Francisco
342,679 Boston
309,731 Los Angeles
291,863 Philadelphia
219,480 Seattle
93,806 Miami
87,794 Minneapolis
87,598 Atlanta
84,513 Baltimore
77,754 Portland
64,852 Houston
63,792 Pittsburgh
60,338 Denver
49,527 Dallas
43,630 San Diego
40,630 Phoenix
40,414 San Jose
34,080 Las Vegas
28,485 St Louis
26,878 Cleveland
26,553 Detroit
24,713 Riverside
24,129 Sacramento
21,435 Austin
20,802 San Antonio
20,458 Milwaukee
19,700 Salt Lake City
19,536 Charlotte
18,994 Tampa
18,820 Providence
18,288 Cincinnati
17,364 Columbus
16,684 Orlando
16,579 Buffalo
15,955 Hartford
14,720 New Orleans
12,416 Virginia Beach
11,080 Richmond
9,860 Kansas City
9,647 Tucson
9,444 Indianapolis
8,072 Nashville
7,298 Grand Rapids
6,881 Jacksonville
6,447 Raleigh
4,262 Oklahoma City
4,246 Fresno
4,053 Memphis
2,313 Tulsa
2018 Metro Areas( MSA) Percentage of Workers Who Commute on Public Transit
30.9% New York
17.3% San Francisco
13.2% Boston
13.0% Washington DC
12.1% Chicago
10.7% Seattle
9.8% Philadelphia
6.1% Portland
6.0% Baltimore
5.6% Pittsburgh
4.8% Los Angeles
4.5% Minneapolis
4.0% San Jose
3.8% Fresno
3.3% Las Vegas
3.2% Salt Lake City
3.1% Buffalo
3.1% Miami
3.0% Atlanta
2.7% Cleveland
2.6% Hartford
2.6% New Orleans
2.6% Milwaukee
2.6% San Diego
2.4% Providence
2.2% Sacramento
2.1% St Louis
2.1% Tucson
2.0% Houston
1.9% Austin
1.8% Phoenix
1.8% San Antonio
1.7% Cincinnati
1.7% Columbus
1.7% Richmond
1.5% Charlotte
1.4% Grand Rapids
1.4% Virginia Beach
1.3% Dallas
1.3% Detroit
1.3% Orlando
1.3% Tampa
1.2% Riverside
1.1% Fresno
0.9% Indianapolis
0.9% Jacksonville
0.9% Kansas City
0.9% Raleigh
0.8% Nashville
0.7% Memphis
0.6% Oklahoma City
0.5% Tulsa
From data.census.gov
So Denver has 60,000 riders, but doesn't even make 0.5%? I think there's a problem with your numbers.
18Montclair-I appreciate your info. A couple questions-
Is there a full breakdown on how people get to work somewhere like NYC? Only 31% on public transit is surprisingly low for me, though I guess that is at the Metro level. I'd guess a decent amount walk or bike though still, also?
Second question-I remember seeing as such, but isn't there a list somewhere that reflects smaller communities, college towns, etc? I realize data may be worth a little less there because it's students, but like the going rate in places like Morgantown, WV, etc. I've found fascinating from a standpoint of how public transit and urban focused certain places like that are.
Seattle is looking more and more like traditional urban city #7.
Even though anecdotally on my visit, I wasn't all that impressed with Seattle's urbanity-statistically, I have to agree. It really is impressive on multiple levels. If you take the mean of volume of ridership and percentage at Metro Level, and average the rank, you have:
1. New York City
2. San Francisco (another one that didn't impress me as much as eastern cities, though more than Seattle)
3. Chicago
3. Washington DC
5. Boston
6. Philadelphia
6. Seattle
8. Los Angeles
9. Baltimore
9. Portland
11. Minneapolis
And I think it's worth noting that when I looked at the kind of research I'm currently doing on WalkScore ratings, when I didn't account for the existing Urban 5-6.. 4-5 of the 10 most walkable neighborhoods in the country left over were in you guessed it... Seattle.
SF's numbers could be seen as a little misleading, since the actual SF MSA is a lot smaller than how most people view the Bay Area: it excludes Napa, Sonoma, Solano, and Santa Clara Counties, which if they were included would shift the percentages lower.
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