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Depends on which Jersey suburbs, though. Some are as car-oriented as they come. Some are very walkable.
I know downtown is lackluster and there are crime issues, but citywide I think it's St. Louis. It has an underrated walkable urban fabric through much of the city.
Jersey suburbs of NYC if you're talking about the proportion of people living without need of a car. Yea, there are parts of the Northern Jersey / Gateway Region that are very sprawly and car-dependent, but the parts that are very urban are also very populous and are among the most walkable areas including main cities of the US.
Depends on which Jersey suburbs, though. Some are as car-oriented as they come. Some are very walkable.
I know downtown is lackluster and there are crime issues, but citywide I think it's St. Louis. It has an underrated walkable urban fabric through much of the city.
Outside of Clayton, which suburbs would rival those I posted above? Let alone volume and connectivity of those suburbs.
EDIT: For true "walkability", my mind goes to immediate access of groceries, bars/restaurants, public transportation, and concentrated areas of housing. Bonus if medical is within walking distance, too (which some of the above have).
Yes, I'm aware. There are many walkable pockets, but that's what they are: pockets. Most of NJ, from my experience anyway, is sprawly and has lots of roads lacking sidewalks, among other things. I actually like this a lot, as you can be 30 minutes from Newark, yet live in a place like Somerset, with ranch-style homes and not a hint of urbanism.
Yes, I'm aware. There are many walkable pockets, but that's what they are: pockets. Most of NJ, from my experience anyway, is sprawly and has lots of roads lacking sidewalks, among other things. I actually like this a lot, as you can be 30 minutes from Newark, yet live in a place like Somerset, with ranch-style homes and not a hint of urbanism.
Yes, it's a bit of both. As is every single MSA I'm familiar with outside of LA. Though even in LA, 30 minutes/miles as the crow flies, you can find yourself in very sprawled, hilly suburb with no connectivity.
But, very few are as connected, as walkable, and as concentrated as Northern Jersey's inner ring. None on the list come close other than Philadelphia. MSP would probably be next, though you're only a town or two in any direction outside of Minneapolis or Saint Paul before it's sprawled divisions and highways. Eden Prairie being a prime example. Even Edina, it's dense enough to be walkable.. But there's nothing to walk to.
By the way, if this was a beauty contest, Jersey might come in dead last. Not at all a fan of Jersey's inner rings suburbs.. Certainly some really nice, cute towns as you move away from NYC.
Outside of Clayton, which suburbs would rival those I posted above? Let alone volume and connectivity of those suburbs.
EDIT: For true "walkability", my mind goes to immediate access of groceries, bars/restaurants, public transportation, and concentrated areas of housing. Bonus if medical is within walking distance, too (which some of the above have).
But for St. Louis we are including the city itself, which as I said is actually much more walkable than it gets credit for. The suburbs are hit or miss, for sure, but I still think the city itself carries it over the finish line
But for St. Louis we are including the city itself, which as I said is actually much more walkable than it gets credit for. The suburbs are hit or miss, for sure, but I still think the city itself carries it over the finish line
Wow.. My mistake entirely. I thought we were simply comparing metro vs. metro, not including the cities themselves. Not sure how I didn't pick up on the (suburbs only) portion of the poll for Jersey and Philly.
Yeah, St. Louis is a bit more walkable than folks give it credit for. I still think, if we include Newark, JC, and Hoboken, Jersey is the front runner between the two. Certainly more of a discussion to be had in this context though. My bad. I would actually vote for MSP, all things considered. Some very walkable areas within both Minneapolis and Saint Paul.
Knowing what I now know, I would love to hear an explanation on how Philadelphia's suburbs could be more walkable than Jersey's, or the entire MSP metro.
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