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Old 10-11-2019, 07:22 AM
 
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Unless they decide to go further and pick somewhere like Watkins Glen. Which, in recent years, has grown very diverse; and basically is now populated almost exclusively by people from nowhere near Watkins Glen.
Yep, as some places get discovered or rediscovered again by people of a range of backgrounds. People come for different reasons(migrant farming, military, select industries, get away from/priced out of the bigger cities, etc.).

A small town sports example from Albion, a community in between Rochester and Buffalo:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfBn-QD_EnM

So, as you mention, some of this depends on where in NY you look.
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Old 10-11-2019, 07:40 AM
 
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There are also some walkable villages/communities in Orange County like Goshen, Washingtonville, Walden and Montgomery(Valley Central SD), Chester; as well as Highland in nearby Ulster County that fit much of the criteria. Goshen is the county seat for Orange County and in turn, it is where you could get services in terms of government offices.

All are close to each other and some offer some of the things in the criteria, while being close to cities like Poughkeepsie, Newburgh, Kingston and Middletown. New Paltz isn't too far from these communities as well.

Some school and street view info, Goshen: https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000040440
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.4019...6!9m2!1b1!2i37

Valley Central: https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000040264
Montgomery: https://www.google.com/maps/@41.5269...6!9m2!1b1!2i37
Walden: https://www.google.com/maps/@41.5608...6!9m2!1b1!2i37

Chester: https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000040500
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.3559...6!9m2!1b1!2i37

Washingtonville: https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000040518
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.4277...6!9m2!1b1!2i37

Highland: https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000036218
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.7192...6!9m2!1b1!2i37

You also have places like Warwick, Marlboro and Florida, among others in that area that may not have villages that fit the demographic criteria, but the school districts do. Warwick: https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000040158
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.2565...6!9m2!1b1!2i37

Marlboro: https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000036180
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.6052...6!9m2!1b1!2i37

Florida: https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000040145
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.3334...6!9m2!1b1!2i37

Cornwall/Cornwall-on-Hudson is another such area. It is in between Newburgh and West Point and is home to this art center: https://stormking.org/
School information: https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000040474
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.4449...6!9m2!1b1!2i37

Across the Hudson River in Dutchess County, you have Wappingers Falls as well. School info: https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000053180
It also has multiple art venues/galleries there as well. https://www.google.com/maps/@41.5994...6!9m2!1b1!2i37

There is also Garrison, which has a few art centers in the area. https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000039679
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.3831...6!9m2!1b1!2i37
Can choose between these 2 high schools after 8th grade: https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000039705

https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000040404 (West Point kids are zoned for this HS)


With the last 2, Beacon is a small city with a growing art scene that is in between the 2. City of Beacon, New York

https://beaconarts.org/

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.5057...6!9m2!1b1!2i37

Also, you could also take the train to some of these places via the Metro North, as some of the stops are close to these communities: MNR Map
Something else to also consider with some of these towns is that the diversity is generally middle class. Meaning, what you may have is that people live there, but work in NYC and in turn, bring their NYC salary to some of these towns. Some examples, Montgomery: https://statisticalatlas.com/place/N...income-by-race (2012-2016 info)
Montgomery, NY Historical Median Household Income by Races Data - USA.comâ„¢

Walden: https://statisticalatlas.com/place/N...income-by-race
Walden, NY Historical Median Household Income by Races Data - USA.comâ„¢

Goshen: https://statisticalatlas.com/place/N...income-by-race
Goshen, NY Historical Median Household Income by Races Data - USA.comâ„¢

Warwick: https://statisticalatlas.com/place/N...income-by-race
Warwick, NY Historical Median Household Income by Races Data - USA.comâ„¢

Chester: https://statisticalatlas.com/place/N...income-by-race
Chester, NY Historical Median Household Income by Races Data - USA.comâ„¢

Washingtonville: https://statisticalatlas.com/place/N...income-by-race
Washingtonville, NY Historical Median Household Income by Races Data - USA.comâ„¢

Florida: https://statisticalatlas.com/place/N...income-by-race
Florida, NY Historical Median Household Income by Races Data - USA.comâ„¢

Cornwall SD: https://statisticalatlas.com/school-...income-by-race
Cornwall Central School District Historical Median Household Income by Races Data - USA.comâ„¢

Also, with Orange County NY, you have other towns like the town of Wallkill, where a good portion is in the Pine Bush and Goshen SD's outside of Middletown that also would fit much of the criteria: https://statisticalatlas.com/county-...lkill/Overview
https://statisticalatlas.com/county-...-and-Ethnicity
https://statisticalatlas.com/county-...income-by-race


So, those are some other things to consider as well.
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Old 10-14-2019, 07:42 AM
 
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Cool. Thanks, everyone! Been getting more connected here in Western Mass. Visited Brattleboro a few hours and it was pretty cool. At some point will visit NY/NH/RI plus more here in MA.

Something that's helping me explore and narrow down these many NY/MA/VT/NH/RI city options is to look more into what sorta presence (or not) certain specific communities, hobbies, events of interest to me have in them through research and best is getting out there and attending things when possible and friendly conversations and networking.

So I really recommend that to anyone considering moving to new cities. I've lived and traveled throughout the US and that's what starts really giving a sense of a place and gets it feeling welcoming. It's fun!
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Old 10-14-2019, 03:23 PM
 
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In terms of the criteria, Ithaca may(key word) be the best overall choice out of the places listed. I say that, because it literally can offer all of those things in its immediate/metro area. Even some of the suburbs/communities outside of Ithaca would fit like Northeast Ithaca and the village of Lansing.

New Paltz may be a sleeper and fits the majority of the list as well(only question mark may be the jobs aspect, but Kingston and Poughkeepsie aren't too far away).

Both have colleges in their communities and in turn, will skew younger.

I thought about a place like Delhi, which also has a SUNY campus and fits some of the criteria. Oneonta, which has 2 colleges as well, is about 30 minutes away, but only has about 13,000 people.

Cobleskill also came to mind for similar reasons.

Hudson would have been nice, due to its train access into NYC, but schools are so-so. Nearby Chatham would fit, minus the demographics in terms of a high enough percentage.

Catskill is similar to Hudson minus the train access.

Saugerties would also fit, but its demographics would miss the mark.

Then, there is Vestal, which is where Binghamton University is located and has very good schools. Rural parts of that town may work, but it is generally more suburban in character. It is within the driving distance. An area of Binghamton you may like, OP: Welcome -The Gorgeous Washington street Association
https://www.facebook.com/GorgeousWashington/
Some information about the bolded city: https://www.oneonta.ny.us/
https://www.oneonta.ny.us/index.php?cID=284
https://www.everythingoneonta.com/ma...t-oneonta-map/
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.4540...7i13312!8i6656

CANO
Foothills Performing Arts Center | Oneonta NY
https://www.destinationoneonta.com/arts-1

https://www.optrides.com/

https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000039848
https://www.oneontacsd.org/
https://nces.ed.gov/globallocator/in...=1&CS=16AA2E4E

It is located in between Binghamton and Schenectady, about an hour from each on I-88.
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Old 10-20-2019, 08:38 AM
 
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Providence is a major outlier here. Poor schools-noticeable crime kind of make it dead in the water.
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Old 10-20-2019, 08:50 AM
 
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Providence is a major outlier here. Poor schools-noticeable crime kind of make it dead in the water.
Well Albany too.
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Old 10-20-2019, 02:09 PM
 
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Whoops! Just now noticed I accidentally wrote VT instead of MA for the MA cities I listed in my original post. Oh well, haha.
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Old 10-20-2019, 06:08 PM
 
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Providence is a major outlier here. Poor schools-noticeable crime kind of make it dead in the water.
What about smaller communities that fit the criteria in the OP that are outside of Providence?
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Old 05-03-2020, 10:23 PM
 
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I know I'm late to the party but thought I would chime in...

Having lived in a number of these places (Northampton, Amherst, Brattleboro, and Providence), I'd like to echo the sentiment that Northampton is probably the best choice of these options. Though it's less culturally diverse than Albany or Providence, the presence of the Five Colleges means that there is a constant influx of young people of color and international students, as well as faculty from an array of backgrounds, coming into the area and shaping the culture in ways you would not see in other parts of (semi-)rural New England. I would also poke around Montague, MA (outside of Greenfield, MA) where there's a small-scale community that might be up your alley...

I also loved Ithaca, NY when I visited but it struck me that when you venture out of Ithaca itself, you've suddenly entered very different territory ideologically. I would be concerned about feelings of isolation and lack of variety in Ithaca proper as a result. By contrast, when you venture into the towns outside the cities of Northampton or Brattleboro, you will find people who are on a similar wavelength so these areas offer pretty different experiences. Though an imperfect measure of people's attitudes, just examining an electoral map capturing which parts of states have recently gone red and blue reveals the stark differences between rural Western Mass and VT, and virtually any other rural area anywhere in the U.S. including upstate NY: https://brilliantmaps.com/2016-county-election-map/

There's some crunch-alicious stuff going on in the vicinity of Providence like an herb school, as well as a MovNat school and an enormous yoga/meditation/raw foods/spa/bathhouse center south of PVD but I don't really feel that these things are central to PVD culture in the way that they are in Northampton or Brattleboro. The presence of Brown and RISD contribute to an artistic / intellectual / activist culture and there are some pockets of crunch-ness but I think you'll find a much more critical mass of crunchy folk in Western Mass and VT. Providence also has a decidedly urban feel despite being a small city, so worlds away from the feel of the towns you've mentioned in Mass and VT. Mountains and the bucolic natural beauty for which the region is known are also much more difficult to reach from PVD but that's a matter of preference.

I hope this helps!
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Old 05-04-2020, 10:29 AM
 
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What’s wrong with Connecticut?
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