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Also, I want to mention that SF's streets aren't all that narrow. Sure, it has some alleys here and there, but they're generally at least two lanes travel, two lanes parking and often five or six lanes. If you want narrow downtown streets, then you're talking Boston and Philadelphia.
This is also a good thing in terms of future prospects for Los Angeles whose streets in the urban core are comparable in width to San Francisco's. That means Los Angeles can infill and build its way towards being a lot more urban more easily without some comprehensive plan to build on to the streets.
I like the fact that LA is filling in at a high rate. But it's very car-oriented infill...and therefore neither as beneficial or as dense as a more urban city would do it.
I like the fact that LA is filling in at a high rate. But it's very car-oriented infill...and therefore neither as beneficial or as dense as a more urban city would do it.
If you're talking about parking podiums and multilevel basement garages, then yea, I don't much like it either, but it's more that it drives up costs since there are parking minimums so they get built into the cost. Meanwhile, they still give density and often are mixed-use, so it's still much better than a surface lot overall. I'm really hoping LA gets rid of parking minimums altogether and that some of those parking basements and podiums can ultimately be converted to other uses.
What would be the answers to these in downtown San Francisco, since its so far ahead of DTLA?
Arts District
Broadway Theatre District
Bunker Hill
Little Tokyo
Fashion District
Historic Core
South Park
Old Bank District
Toy District
Gallery Row
Jewelry District
Can anyone name a single thing that downtown San Francisco has that DTLA doesn't? I mean, since we're all so sure that its light years ahead and DTLA "needs work" to catch up...
I didn't say downtown San Francisco, I said "SF". I don't know where downtown SF starts and stops but I'm comparing more than just SF's financial district to DTLA.
I've lived in DTLA for 4 years and love it, but when I went to S.F. recently I could see where we were lacking. Not light years, but some catching up to do. Some things may be better here, but overall S.F. just has more.
I didn't say downtown San Francisco, I said "SF". I don't know where downtown SF starts and stops but I'm comparing more than just SF's financial district to DTLA.
I've lived in DTLA for 4 years and love it, but when I went to S.F. recently I could see where we were lacking. Not light years, but some catching up to do. Some things may be better here, but overall S.F. just has more.
So the 6 miles of DTLA gets compared with the 45 miles of San Francisco? Doesn't really seem like a fair matchup. Given the thread title, I don't understand why everyone wants to move the goalpost to keep San Francisco in a conversation they otherwise wouldn't be a part of.
Why can't San Francisco's downtown simply be judged as it is?
So the 6 miles of DTLA gets compared with the 45 miles of San Francisco? Doesn't really seem like a fair matchup. Given the thread title, I don't understand why everyone wants to move the goalpost to keep San Francisco in a conversation they otherwise wouldn't be a part of.
Why can't San Francisco's downtown simply be judged as it is?
What does San Francisco have more of?
He didn't say any of what you're saying he did nor has anyone else. Several people will probably be pretty clear that the equivalent to DTLA in San Francisco is more bustling and active and somehow your retort is that all they have is the Transamerica Pyramid? Or that someone needs to mention bars and restaurants? How did you have such a chip on your shoulder about this to make it so weird for you?
It's odd because I think both 2Easy and I both regularly talk about how improved and underrated DTLA is, but you're kind of nutty about this.
He didn't say any of what you're saying he did nor has anyone else. Several people will probably be pretty clear that the equivalent to DTLA in San Francisco is more bustling and active and somehow your retort is that all they have is the Transamerica Pyramid? Or that someone needs to mention bars and restaurants? How did you have such a chip on your shoulder about this to make it so weird for you?
It's odd because I think both 2Easy and I both regularly talk about how improved and underrated DTLA is, but you're kind of nutty about this.
The thread title is "Best US City Downtowns.."
Seems pretty unambiguous to me. When I make a list of specific amenities, attractions and districts in downtown Los Angeles, why is so hard for any one of the many posters who think San Francisco is superior to respond with their equivalent?
It's always "well, SF is just on another level", or some such vague claim. No one can ever go into any kind of specific detail.
Weird how that works.
We're constantly redefining what a city is, what a downtown is, what a metro area is, etc. to give San Francisco a competitive advantage on this forum.
Seems pretty unambiguous to me. When I make a list of specific amenities, attractions and districts in downtown Los Angeles, why is so hard for any one of the many posters who think San Francisco is superior to respond with their equivalent?
It's always "well, SF is just on another level", or some such vague claim. No one can ever go into any kind of specific detail.
Weird how that works.
We're constantly redefining what a city is, what a downtown is, what a metro area is, etc. to give San Francisco a competitive advantage on this forum.
You’ve gotten multiple responses. I just listed a bunch of other sites aside from the Transamerica Pyramid. This in in addition to simply having more foot traffic and stores, bars, and restaurants in the equivalent area. Who is redefining what SF is? You’re mentioning DTLA with specific districts so then someone actually takes time to figure out an equivalent area and that’s somehow a constant redefinition? C’mon, bud, you’re just being obstinate. It sounds like an old man yelling at clouds.
You’ve gotten multiple responses. I just listed a bunch of other sites aside from the Transamerica Pyramid. This in in addition to simply having more foot traffic and stores, bars, and restaurants in the equivalent area. Who is redefining what SF is? You’re mentioning DTLA with specific districts so then someone actually takes time to figure out an equivalent area and that’s somehow a constant redefinition? C’mon, bud, you’re just being obstinate. It sounds like an old man yelling at clouds.
To my knowledge, no one has posted any actual data to support that SF has more of anything in that area, apart from perhaps population.
Again, the thread title is best downtowns in 2020-DTLA has received much hype and acclaim in the last five years....can we say the same about SF? I really don't think we can.
I like that DTLA is activating more of its theaters. Last week the Orpheum Theater hosted the PornHub awards. Based on what a friend said. He knew all them including the measurements, natural or not. Not me, a friend. A FRIEND.
The Ace Hotel theater also host many concerts. I wish the one of the best looking theaters Los Angeles theater would fix the interior also the State Theater and Million Dollar Theater. would renovated, too.
Other theaters have turned to other uses. Tower Theater will become the newest Apple Store and 2 doors down a smaller theater was turned into a Urban Outfitters Retail store and another into COS (H&M stores) retail store. And another theater into a dance club/event center.
It would be great if whatever remains can attract a great large events that activate it late into the night.
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