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View Poll Results: Faster pace?
Miami 16 14.16%
Atlanta 29 25.66%
Charlotte 7 6.19%
Dallas 14 12.39%
Houston 11 9.73%
Austin 13 11.50%
Nashville 19 16.81%
Raleigh 0 0%
New Orleans 4 3.54%
Voters: 113. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 11-04-2019, 09:29 PM
 
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I am surprised Memphis and Louisville aren't on the list.

This is kind of a hard thread to give an answer to. Unless one has equal experience in all southern cities, it would be hard to come up with a balanced opinion. Tourism produces a different vibe compared to a downtown with a large workforce, rapid transit and useful amenities.

This year I've been to Nashville, Memphis, Atlanta and Dallas. To stay with the flow of the thread, I will leave Memphis out of my post.

Nashville is building like crazy. I think I've seen more growth and buildings going up than the other 2 cities I've visited. Most of the foot traffic is casual tourist traffic that doesn't hussle like it does in a big city.

Atlanta gets picked on a lot because of low density but I did feel the big city thing in Atlanta. I guess its because I took marta in from the airport to Five Points. It felt organic and yes the city felt alive but not like Chicago.

Dallas seemed a little bit more like a big city. I did not take dart into downtown but it seemed just a little busier.

I wish I could comment on the others especially Miami and Charlotte. Cities are changing so fast now. Things could definitely pop out ahead for Atlanta within a year or two but as of right now, I will give a slight advantage to Dallas.
Totally agree. I don't think either is tops but they are both very vibrant....Louisville escpecially...Louisville downtown vibrancy has QUADRUPLED in the last 12 months since the convention center and dozens of hotels and bourbon tourist attractions have opened (People continue to sleep on Lville). The most underwhelming per capita is certainly Atlanta. I saw someone mention Orlando but its waaaaay small. After Nashville and Austin, however, it may well have the best Tues-Sat nightlife and most attractive people. The new UCF downtown will take 5+ years to fully make an affect
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Old 11-04-2019, 09:30 PM
 
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I’m confused on whether you are talking about fast-pace like NY or fast-pace like building quickly. Your verbiage makes me think one thing, your context another.

At any rate, using Cushman&Wakefield office market reports, here is a snapshot of downtown office growth only at this moment. (YTD overall net office absorption + current office construction) / total inventory. And just to be clear, I used the designated CBD submarket numbers from C&W.

Austin- +25.4%
Nashville- +22.1%
Raleigh- +15.4%
Charlotte- +12.8%
Atlanta- +8.5%
Houston- +4.4%
Miami- +3.2%
Dallas- +1.4%

Couldn’t find New Orleans’ latest office market report.
Office has very little to do with the vibrancy of a downtown, especially after dark, when most people visit and go out.
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Old 11-04-2019, 10:44 PM
 
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It's really the only one to me that stands out as being "fast-paced," where people are running about on narrow streets in tightly-packed city blocks with a decent level of street-level density.
I was there for work one week and really felt like I was in a well-grounded urban environment.

I hate to use Googlemaps for anything here, but the image below pretty much describes my experience there:
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.7806...7i13312!8i6656

It's the only one I've seen (of the cities mentioned here) that has that noisy, busy urban vibe to it.
Lol. Two blocks over there is a drive-thru McDonald's surrounded by surface parking lots. 5-6 lane roadways. Not very impressive

https://www.google.com/maps/@32.7790...7i13312!8i6656
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Old 11-05-2019, 01:17 AM
 
Location: Flawduh
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Lol. Two blocks over there is a drive-thru McDonald's surrounded by surface parking lots. 5-6 lane roadways. Not very impressive

https://www.google.com/maps/@32.7790...7i13312!8i6656
*shrug* that’s pretty much all Southern CBDs not named New Orleans.

And again, this was just my experience as a visitor strolling around.
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Old 11-05-2019, 01:54 AM
 
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Office has very little to do with the vibrancy of a downtown, especially after dark, when most people visit and go out.
Well as I said, I couldn’t decide what exactly the OP was looking for. Talk about fast-pace but also talking about stagnancy and nebulous urbanizing. I gave info on one important aspect to a CBD, the recent and future energy being put into CBD jobs.
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Old 11-05-2019, 06:31 AM
 
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*shrug* that’s pretty much all Southern CBDs not named New Orleans.

And again, this was just my experience as a visitor strolling around.
Uh, Richmond is better, too...
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Old 11-05-2019, 07:40 AM
 
Location: Flawduh
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Uh, Richmond is better, too...
Better in what sense? There’s nothing really fast-paced about it.
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Old 11-05-2019, 09:11 AM
 
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Lol. Two blocks over there is a drive-thru McDonald's surrounded by surface parking lots. 5-6 lane roadways. Not very impressive

https://www.google.com/maps/@32.7790...7i13312!8i6656
Even this block has vibrancy...There's a 72 story building a park and A High-rise residential building in that same picture.....
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Old 11-05-2019, 10:04 AM
 
Location: Nashville, TN
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Uh, Richmond is better, too...
I disagree.
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Old 11-05-2019, 10:17 AM
 
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Better in what sense? There’s nothing really fast-paced about it.
Better in the sense that it is a more uniformly structurally dense CBD without suburban development surrounding by surface parking two or three blocks over from the main drag downtown in just about any direction.
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