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View Poll Results: Which of these has walkable, green, and beautiful suburbs with character?
Washington DC 23 21.90%
Atlanta 14 13.33%
Detroit 5 4.76%
Chicago 29 27.62%
Minneapolis-St. Paul 15 14.29%
Denver 7 6.67%
Philadelphia 36 34.29%
New York (New Jersey suburbs only) 22 20.95%
Boston 47 44.76%
Cleveland 10 9.52%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 105. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 11-14-2019, 01:03 PM
 
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Chicago's suburbs from about Evanston to North Chicago along the Lake Shore/Waulkegan line are "iconic..." Exceedingly wealthy, quaint & sophisticated towns.

My favorite neighborhoods are generally from the Highland Park to Wilmette, including where the Ferris Bueller and Risky Business were filmed. This area well planned, quiet & extremely beautiful--like the west suburbs of Boston (re; Westwood, Dover, Sherborn, Needham, Weston, Waltham, Lincoln, Lexington, Concord, Belmont, Winchester, etc).

That Ferrari 250 glass house (Highland Park) changed owners, and was recently renovated, w/ expanded metal work and glass. It's a kind of a crap parcel (thanks to the ravine/brook running through) in an otherwise amazing neighborhood. They installed a new, massive underground garage comprising nearly the entire parcel, incl under the home (which was temporarily set up on jacks). Looks like someone wanted a large/ secure space to put a collection of exotic cars.

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Old 11-14-2019, 01:41 PM
 
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Boston suburbs that are great candidates for this discussion:

Brookline
Downtown (one of a few): https://www.google.com/maps/@42.3323...7i16384!8i8192
Neighborhoods: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.3323...7i16384!8i8192

Winchester
Downtown: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.4524...7i13312!8i6656
Neighborhoods: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.4533...7i13312!8i6656

Marblehead
Downtown: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.5035...7i13312!8i6656
Neighborhoods: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.4998...7i13312!8i6656

Wellesley
Downtown: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.2962...7i13312!8i6656
Neighborhoods (more low key): https://www.google.com/maps/@42.3203...7i13312!8i6656

Andover
Downtown: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.6569...7i13312!8i6656
Neighborhoods:https://www.google.com/maps/@42.6752...7i13312!8i6656

Belmont
Downtown: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.3982...7i13312!8i6656
Neighborhoods: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.3904...7i13312!8i6656

Concord
Downtown: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.4602...7i13312!8i6656
Neighborhoods: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.4581...7i13312!8i6656

Newton
Downtown (one of many): https://www.google.com/maps/@42.3310...7i13312!8i6656
Neighborhoods:https://www.google.com/maps/@42.3289...7i13312!8i6656

Lexington
Downtown: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.4470...7i13312!8i6656
Neighborhoods: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.4442...7i13312!8i6656

Newburyport
Downtown: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.8100...7i13312!8i6656
Neighborhoods: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.8001...7i13312!8i6656

Arlington
Downtown: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.4146...7i16384!8i8192
Neighborhoods: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.4098...7i13312!8i6656

Watertown:
Downtown: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.3670...7i13312!8i6656
Neighborhoods: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.3776...7i13312!8i6656

Melrose
Downtown: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.4554...7i13312!8i6656
Neighborhoods: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.4630...7i13312!8i6656

Wakefield
Downtown: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.5046...7i13312!8i6656
Neighborhoods: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.5123...7i13312!8i6656

Beverly
Downtown: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.5505...7i13312!8i6656
Neighborhoods: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.5506...7i13312!8i6656

Rockport
Downtown: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.6596...7i13312!8i6656
Neighborhoods:https://www.google.com/maps/@42.6573...7i13312!8i6656

Gloucester
Downtown: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.6120...7i13312!8i6656
Neighborhoods: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.5772...7i13312!8i6656

Waltham
Downtown: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.3680...7i13312!8i6656
Neighborhoods: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.3765...7i13312!8i6656

Salem
Downtown: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.5214...7i13312!8i6656
Neighborhoods:https://www.google.com/maps/@42.5240...7i13312!8i6656

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Old 11-14-2019, 01:42 PM
 
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Just a nit that Philadelphia and Chicago are actually pretty similar in metro area terms relative to median income/affluence (they're almost precisely even on MHI, but the Philly metro actually has a slight edge on MFI):

https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...0US16980,37980

What's more is that Chicago proper has more relative wealth than Philly proper, so the level of wealth in the Philly 'burbs is clearly pretty high to be at parity with the Chicago area overall.
I'm really focusing on the top level wealth- Kenilworth, Glencoe, Winnetka, Lake Forest.

Edit: Gladwyne is as wealthy as those, much like Weston and Wellesley in MA. My original point stands, though, that the Chicago North Shore is just as sophisticated, walkable, and affluent as any. What Chicago suburbs lack, to me, is a plethora of green space, parks, preserved land. And, it's tough to replicate the East Coast suburban character. But that's just an opinion.

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Old 11-14-2019, 04:02 PM
 
Location: Boston Metrowest (via the Philly area)
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I'm really focusing on the top level wealth- Kenilworth, Glencoe, Winnetka, Lake Forest.

Edit: Gladwyne is as wealthy as those, much like Weston and Wellesley in MA. My original point stands, though, that the Chicago North Shore is just as sophisticated, walkable, and affluent as any. What Chicago suburbs lack, to me, is a plethora of green space, parks, preserved land. And, it's tough to replicate the East Coast suburban character. But that's just an opinion.
Yep; Villanova, Bryn Mawr, Wayne and Devon are also prime candidates for 1%-er type wealth you're referring to and match up extremely well with the characteristics contemplated by the thread topic.

But yes, overall, I'd agree that there's a "je ne sais quoi" about East Coast suburbia. Not that there aren't wonderful and fantastic suburbs in other regions, but the combination of unique architecture, interspersed nature, rolling topography, and generally very established feel all contribute to a particular "vibe."

Great street views of Boston-area towns/cities, by the way. Definitely showcases the region well.

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Old 11-15-2019, 04:41 PM
 
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Here are my favorite Chicago suburbs based on this criteria:

Winnetka
Downtown: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.1063...7i16384!8i8192
Neighborhoods: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.1034...7i16384!8i8192

Elmhurst
Downtown: https://www.google.com/maps/@41.9009...7i16384!8i8192
Neighborhoods: https://www.google.com/maps/@41.8898...7i16384!8i8192

Park Ridge
Downtown: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.0103...7i13312!8i6656
Neighborhoods: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.0159...7i16384!8i8192

La Grange
Downtown: https://www.google.com/maps/@41.8147...7i16384!8i8192
Neighborhoods: https://www.google.com/maps/@41.8113...7i16384!8i8192

Hinsdale
Downtown: https://www.google.com/maps/@41.8016...7i16384!8i8192
Neighborhoods: https://www.google.com/maps/@41.7966...7i16384!8i8192

Wilmette
Downtown: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.0771...7i16384!8i8192
Neighborhoods: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.0827...7i16384!8i8192

Arlington Heights
Downtown: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.0828...7i16384!8i8192
Neighborhoods: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.0753...7i16384!8i8192

Oak Park
Downtown: https://www.google.com/maps/@41.8875...7i16384!8i8192
Neighborhoods: https://www.google.com/maps/@41.8953...7i16384!8i8192

Glenview
Downtown: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.0727...7i16384!8i8192
Neighborhoods: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.0752...7i16384!8i8192

Evanston
Downtown: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.0478...7i16384!8i8192
Neighborhoods: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.0628...7i16384!8i8192
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Old 11-25-2019, 07:00 PM
 
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DETROIT
Notable suburbs that combined walkability, charming neighborhoods, and significant parkland/scenery in the Detroit area include:

BIRMINGHAM
Birmingham is a tiny super-posh suburb with a large downtown situated in the wealthiest part of Metro Detroit. The downtown is surrounded by charming 1920’s-30’s homes and large, modern McMansions on postage stamp-sized lots. There is little notable scenery/nature outside of the river impoundment of Quarton Lake, but Birmingham is just a few miles south of the Cranbrook Institute, a 200-acre cultural and educational complex that includes fountains, statues, formal gardens, reflecting pools, a graduate art college, a contemporary art museum, a natural history museum and several miles of trails through the grounds and hilly wooded areas (which are open to the public).

ROCHESTER
Rochester/Rochester Hills has the most natural beauty of the walkable suburbs. Rochester has a long, quaint Main Street surrounded by leafy streets lined with turn-of-the century homes. It is in the hilly part of the metro and has 3 long rails-to-trails - two of which runs through the little downtown, a 200-acre park of hilly wooded terrain adjacent to downtown, and a 4,400-acre metropark in the outskirts.

GROSSE POINTES
Grosse Pointe is a collection of 5 upper crust suburbs along Lake St. Clair east of Detroit. It is the old money suburb originally inhabited by the auto barons who built large estates overlooking the lake. It has 3 small main street sections – The Cabbage Patch, the Hill, and the Village. It does not have any notable greenspace except a number of well-appointed, residents-only lakefront parks.

DEARBORN
Dearborn is a larger suburb with 2 separate downtowns 4 miles apart, as well as a fairly walkable 2-mile long stretch of Middle Eastern restaurants, bakeries, food markets, and other Middle Eastern businesses. Because it is predominantly Middle Eastern, it does not have many bars, but there are a number of upscale hookah joints. The city has several long scenic trails along the Rouge River, including a 3-mile trail that passes the dam behind Henry Ford’s estate and the 17 Mile-long scenic parkway/bike path Hines Drive begins in the city.

PLYMOUTH
Plymouth is in an old railroad town swallowed up by urban sprawl. It has a downtown oozing with charm, which includes the large 1901 home of the creator of the bb gun. (It also has much smaller 2nd business strip). The downtown is surrounded by beautiful older homes. Notable nature includes 2 small lakes created by impounding the Rouge River, and the scenic parkway Hines Drive runs through the city/township.

WYANDOTTE
Wyandotte is in the working class and heavily industrial group of suburbs called Downriver. It has a fairly substantial downtown surrounded by charming neighborhoods and the Detroit River. This suburb is known locally for its house bars, although the # of those has declined over the years. Its natural beauty is only in the Detroit River, with nice views of Canada and the island suburb of Grosse Isle.
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Old 11-26-2019, 02:14 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia
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Yep; Villanova, Bryn Mawr, Wayne and Devon are also prime candidates for 1%-er type wealth you're referring to and match up extremely well with the characteristics contemplated by the thread topic.

But yes, overall, I'd agree that there's a "je ne sais quoi" about East Coast suburbia. Not that there aren't wonderful and fantastic suburbs in other regions, but the combination of unique architecture, interspersed nature, rolling topography, and generally very established feel all contribute to a particular "vibe."

Great street views of Boston-area towns/cities, by the way. Definitely showcases the region well.

Not to mention the extreme wealth in Lower Gwynedd and Bucks County money is $$ also insane. And the natural character is surreal. I call it fairytale land. Many of the suburban areas feel as if you are living in the country, when you are just minutes from everything.

Southeast Pennsylvania truly feels like the English countryside, with its rolling hills and abundance of historic architecture, especially beautiful stone buildings everywhere.

The character of Southeast Pennsylvania is only matched by Boston. They are most definitely the top 2 suburban areas in the USA.
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Old 11-26-2019, 02:35 PM
 
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DETROIT
Notable suburbs that combined walkability, charming neighborhoods, and significant parkland/scenery in the Detroit area include:

BIRMINGHAM
Birmingham is a tiny super-posh suburb with a large downtown situated in the wealthiest part of Metro Detroit. The downtown is surrounded by charming 1920’s-30’s homes and large, modern McMansions on postage stamp-sized lots. There is little notable scenery/nature outside of the river impoundment of Quarton Lake, but Birmingham is just a few miles south of the Cranbrook Institute, a 200-acre cultural and educational complex that includes fountains, statues, formal gardens, reflecting pools, a graduate art college, a contemporary art museum, a natural history museum and several miles of trails through the grounds and hilly wooded areas (which are open to the public).

ROCHESTER
Rochester/Rochester Hills has the most natural beauty of the walkable suburbs. Rochester has a long, quaint Main Street surrounded by leafy streets lined with turn-of-the century homes. It is in the hilly part of the metro and has 3 long rails-to-trails - two of which runs through the little downtown, a 200-acre park of hilly wooded terrain adjacent to downtown, and a 4,400-acre metropark in the outskirts.

GROSSE POINTES
Grosse Pointe is a collection of 5 upper crust suburbs along Lake St. Clair east of Detroit. It is the old money suburb originally inhabited by the auto barons who built large estates overlooking the lake. It has 3 small main street sections – The Cabbage Patch, the Hill, and the Village. It does not have any notable greenspace except a number of well-appointed, residents-only lakefront parks.

DEARBORN
Dearborn is a larger suburb with 2 separate downtowns 4 miles apart, as well as a fairly walkable 2-mile long stretch of Middle Eastern restaurants, bakeries, food markets, and other Middle Eastern businesses. Because it is predominantly Middle Eastern, it does not have many bars, but there are a number of upscale hookah joints. The city has several long scenic trails along the Rouge River, including a 3-mile trail that passes the dam behind Henry Ford’s estate and the 17 Mile-long scenic parkway/bike path Hines Drive begins in the city.

PLYMOUTH
Plymouth is in an old railroad town swallowed up by urban sprawl. It has a downtown oozing with charm, which includes the large 1901 home of the creator of the bb gun. (It also has much smaller 2nd business strip). The downtown is surrounded by beautiful older homes. Notable nature includes 2 small lakes created by impounding the Rouge River, and the scenic parkway Hines Drive runs through the city/township.

WYANDOTTE
Wyandotte is in the working class and heavily industrial group of suburbs called Downriver. It has a fairly substantial downtown surrounded by charming neighborhoods and the Detroit River. This suburb is known locally for its house bars, although the # of those has declined over the years. Its natural beauty is only in the Detroit River, with nice views of Canada and the island suburb of Grosse Isle.
Other places that come to mind are Farmington: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.4646...2!9m2!1b1!2i38

Berkley: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.4646...2!9m2!1b1!2i38

https://www.google.com/maps/@42.4967...2!9m2!1b1!2i38

Utica: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.6260...2!9m2!1b1!2i38

Northville: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.4310...2!9m2!1b1!2i38

Clarkston: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.7350...2!9m2!1b1!2i38

Lake Orion: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.7846...2!9m2!1b1!2i38

Royal Oak: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.4881...2!9m2!1b1!2i38
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Old 05-25-2023, 11:07 AM
 
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There's something to be said about history, charm and "sense of place" going hand-in-hand. That's where Philly and Boston rule the day.

North Jersey certainly has history, as well, but it's not as ubiquitously evident as in MA and PA, mostly because it unfortunately embraced post-WWII auto- development a little too enthusiastically in the 50s and 60s with not-so-great land-use planning in place.
NYC too?
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Old 05-25-2023, 11:37 AM
 
Location: The High Desert
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I don't think that suburbs generally conform to the standards described. Old cities with old suburbs might fit the description but anything built up after WW2 won't. Some old cities grew out to connect with smaller old satellite cities that were never considered "suburbs" until fairly recently. some of those are possibly in line with the OPs focus.

My current city had 30,000 residents in 1940 and now has over 500k and a metro of a million. In living memory, it was a small city with a vibrant and walkable downtown, but it has exploded to having dispersed commercial areas and total reliance on the automobile.
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