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View Poll Results: Better overall city
Oklahoma City 24 42.86%
Des Moines 32 57.14%
Voters: 56. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 11-12-2019, 12:36 PM
 
Location: Indianapolis, IN
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1. Downtown
2. Economy
3. Urbanism
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Old 11-12-2019, 12:47 PM
 
Location: Kansas City North
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In terms of pound for pound considering Des Moines is half the population metrowise, Des Moines in all 3 categories.
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Old 11-12-2019, 02:26 PM
 
Location: Nashville, TN
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. Downtown: Des Moines
2. Economy: Des Moines
3. Urbanism: Des Moines

Des Moines is the winner for me. I like the strong sense of community, arts scene, and more progressive nature.
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Old 11-12-2019, 02:28 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn, NY
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Des Moines feels more progressive, than OKC, despite its smaller population.

OKC has a lot of work to do to become a progressive/cosmopolitan city.
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Old 11-12-2019, 04:44 PM
 
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Des Moines feels more progressive, than OKC, despite its smaller population.

OKC has a lot of work to do to become a progressive/cosmopolitan city.
Why does it need to become more progressive or cosmopolitan? Not everywhere needs to be Berkeley or San Francisco
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Old 11-12-2019, 05:46 PM
 
Location: Flyover part of Virginia
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Des Moines for me. OKC needs to be matched up against something like Detroit or Stockton for me to choose it.
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Old 11-12-2019, 05:59 PM
 
Location: Nashville, TN
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Why does it need to become more progressive or cosmopolitan? Not everywhere needs to be Berkeley or San Francisco
I am not sure how you got that from his post. It seems that he implied that OKC is not as progressive, especially among peers. The area leaves a lot to be desired in terms of culture outside of religious conservatism. It is sad that much smaller cities are better performers in this area.
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Old 11-12-2019, 06:24 PM
 
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I am not sure how you got that from his post. It seems that he implied that OKC is not as progressive, especially among peers. The area leaves a lot to be desired in terms of culture outside of religious conservatism. It is sad that much smaller cities are better performers in this area.
I'm a non-conservative atheist and I want to go there. Looks like it is a diverse city with diverse nightlife
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Old 11-12-2019, 06:48 PM
 
Location: northern Vermont - previously NM, WA, & MA
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Been to both, OKC has more to do and a bit more interesting, Des Moines and Iowa in general has nice landscapes. In OKC I enjoyed Bricktown, the OKC bombing memorial was thoughtfully done, we rode the streetcar and had a good night out there. It was better than expected and doesn't deserve the scorn it gets on CD.

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Old 11-12-2019, 07:54 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Gilead
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I am not sure how you got that from his post. It seems that he implied that OKC is not as progressive, especially among peers. The area leaves a lot to be desired in terms of culture outside of religious conservatism. It is sad that much smaller cities are better performers in this area.

OKC is a lot better than it used to be. It's the buckle of the Bible Belt but central OKC has actually developed quite it's own liberal counterculture, mostly confined to a few neighborhoods north of downtown. Since the modernization of alcohol laws and legalization of medical marijuana, the city has developed a strong beer culture and weed culture and I appreciate that about it. Outside of those few neighborhoods though, it's MAGA country.

I'd say the nightlife has come a long ways from just a few years ago and now there's more bars/clubs like what you have in other cities. While I'd say living in OKC, the nightlife definitely gets repetitive, at least there's options now. It used to be just sad.

For me, it's the awful weather, tornadoes, lack of any natural beauty in the surrounding area, and overall backwardness of the state that truly make it a bad place to live. I like that Des Moines is an actual progressive city and that the state is purple. Plus, less tornadoes and summers are nice. OKC has bad weather in all four seasons. It's the worst of all climates rolled into one.
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