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Originally Posted by masssachoicetts
Why do you say DC? I feel Seattle, Nashville, Austin and Boston have all accomplished so much more than DC's sprawly additions.
This forum undervalues Nashville a lot.
There’s levels to this basically. Austin and Nashville were not and still aren’t on the level of a DC or Seattle. No matter how much building they could do in one decade they still could not equate. Both DC and Seattle have probably raised their profile in relation to the rest of the field even more than any major cities in the country. DC going into 2010 was already in the upper tier of transformed cities. In the 2010’s that continued and DC has boomed at every level of its metro, city downtown, urban central core of the city, neighborhoods in the outer ring of the city, immediate inner ring suburbs, outer ring suburbs etc.
This forum values Nashville right about where it deserves to be IMO. There are those who over hype it probably a bit excessively, and there are those who are less aware of how much it’s changed the past 10 years. I say it balances out as Nashville has done great.
Also to say those places have accomplished more in this time frame is inaccurate, how many of Nashville, Austin, or Boston in the last 10 years have an equivalent to the Silver Line Metro extension which is slated to reach Dulles airport next year? Or the addition of a suburb to suburb light rail line in MD, there are countless other additions that don’t make as many headlines but those are just two.
To put this in perspective, and to illustrate how small and insignificant D.C. is in the grand scheme of things-
Imagine another prominent capitol such as London, Paris, or Moscow drawing attention to its "continued polarization of national politics" as an actual reason to boost the city.
You can't imagine it, because all of those places are real superstar cities with politics being the LAST thing they would want to highlight. With D.C., its always the first thing.
People look at London, Paris, etc. because they are inspiring and they are curious. People look at D.C. the same way you look at CNN on the treadmill at the gym or at the airport terminal. You're going to hear about it whether you care/are interested or not.
To be fair, those cities are the end all and be all for those countries. The United States is a massive country with tons of major cities.
I’d say the DFW metroplex. It’s grown the most and Dallas still did a great job building up its core. DFW airport now has more destinations than any other airport in the US. It’s economy is not only on fire, but it’s super diverse. Property values are way up as well but it’s still affordable.
Why do you say DC? I feel Seattle, Nashville, Austin and Boston have all accomplished so much more than DC's sprawly additions.
You do realize that the majority of growth in Austin and Nashville is suburban sprawl, right? Austin's skyline has grown, but it didn't accommodate 200,000 newcomers.
The District's infill development alone accounted for a 17% growth rate between 2010-2018. That led it to surpassing Boston's population and growth rate (12%) and Nashville's (11%). Suburban sprawl is the main reason for Austin's impressive rate of 22%. A substantial portion of DC area development is Metro-adjacent, not just generic car-centric suburban sprawl. Also, at minimum, half of the DC region's population growth from 2010-2018 (600,000+) has been in areas that are built-out (DC, Arlington, Alexandria, Fairfax, inner-beltway Montgomery County) and it's mostly infill development with higher densities and adjacent to transit.
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Originally Posted by masssachoicetts
This forum undervalues Nashville a lot.
Nashville is the 24th largest city and 36th largest region. It's growth rates are no more impressive than any other sunbelt or western city/region (literally...Dallas, Houston, Atlanta, Phoenix, Seattle, Denver, Miami, Austin, Jacksonville, Raleigh, San Antonio, Charlotte, Salt Lake City, Sacramento, etc. have all achieved similar or higher levels of growth and development).
A skyline change doesn't make a city more relevant. In fact, Nashville reaffirmed it is a small town by rejecting a comprehensive, multi-modal transportation network. Kinda hard to take it seriously, when many of these other cities are investing significantly more in infrastructure and amenities to be a major city. Furthermore, Nashville has limited national significance or importance. It's only regionally significant, but still behind the heavyweights of Atlanta, Dallas, Charlotte, etc. in terms of both growth, significance, and acclaim.
While everyone is obsessing over Nashville, Charlotte is going all in on setting itself up to challenge Atlanta. Riverside-San Bernardino might actually pass the fast-growing SF-Oakland MSA in population. Phoenix may very well be on track to be the second largest region east of Texas. Atlanta is home to multiple impressive skylines and a huge influx of wealth across racial groups.
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-$82,381 -- The median income for DC households, a 35 percent increase compared to 2010. By 2024, median income is projected to be $94,570.
-19,725 -- The number of 25-39 year-olds that moved to DC between 2015 and 2018.
-28.4 million -- The number of square feet of development under construction in DC. Of that, 16.6 million square feet is residential, equating to 89 projects and 17,088 units.
-$15.6 billion -- Taxable retail and restaurant sales in 2018, up 9 percent since 2017.
-42 -- The number of projects totaling 9.1 million square feet that delivered in the District as of August this year.
-4,861 -- The number of Class A apartments that delivered in DC between June 2018 and June 2019.
-$2,487 -- The effective monthly rent for Class A apartments in DC.
-60% -- The percentage of units to deliver in DC over the last decade that were one-bedrooms.
Of the 15-20 main urban cores, Seattle has upgraded its the most. If you factor a mix of percentage and numbers, it would have had:
--By far the largest office growth
--The largest residential growth
--One of the top transit infrastructure increases, and by far the largest ridership increase
--A major freeway replaced by a two-mile tunnel, coupled with a full redo of the man waterfront
--A significant tourism increase
Seattle also added 22% to its in-town population by 7/1/18, and that should be in the 25% range in real time. Most of that growth was concentrated in 15% of the city where growth is channeled, bringing those areas alive as dense or densish centers.
You're saying Seattle added 22% to it's downtown population from 2010 to July 1 2018?
You're saying Seattle added 22% to it's downtown population from 2010 to July 1 2018?
That would be more like 60%. I'll use the State's 4/1/18 estimates, which obviously pretty old but already showed 55% growth. A 2.7 square mile area grew from 54,000 to 86,000. A 4.5 square mile area grew from 83,000 to 126,000.
The overall city of Seattle grew by 22%.
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