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Old 12-12-2019, 12:57 PM
 
Location: That star on your map in the middle of the East Coast, DMV
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2018 CSA (Combined Statistical Area) GDP $billions (top 35)

1. New York-Newark, NY-NJ-CT-PA- 2,001,353,399
2. Los Angeles-Long Beach, CA - 1,294,401,727
3. San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland, CA- 1,031,923,078
4. Washington-Baltimore-Arlington, DC-MD-VA-WV-PA - 780,349,484
5. Chicago-Naperville, IL-IN-WI - 706,627,638
6. Boston-Worcester-Providence, MA-RI-NH-CT - 657,390,710
7. Dallas-Fort Worth, TX-OK- 529,634,470
8. Philadelphia-Reading-Camden, PA-NJ-DE-MD- 499,250,327
9. Houston-The Woodlands, TX - 487,410,331
10. Seattle-Tacoma, WA -435,906,532
11. Atlanta--Athens-Clarke County--Sandy Springs, GA-AL- 435,553,033
12. Miami-Port St. Lucie-Fort Lauderdale, FL- 382,849,852
13. Detroit-Warren-Ann Arbor, MI - 316,813,628
14. Minneapolis-St. Paul, MN-WI - 284,278,101
15. Denver-Aurora, CO- 261,450,684
16. Phoenix-Mesa, AZ- 257,265,007
17. Cleveland-Akron-Canton, OH- 211,044,417
18. Portland-Vancouver-Salem, OR-WA - 197,998,189
19. Orlando-Lakeland-Deltona, FL- 189,135,274
20. Charlotte-Concord, NC-SC- 175,945,868
21. St. Louis-St. Charles-Farmington, MO-IL- 173,712,457
22. Pittsburgh-New Castle-Weirton, PA-OH-WV- 167,137,951
23. Indianapolis-Carmel-Muncie, IN- 160,354,399
24. Sacramento-Roseville, CA- 157,464,475
25. Salt Lake City-Provo-Orem, UT- 154,737,619
26. Columbus-Marion-Zanesville, OH-148,751,395
27. Kansas City-Overland Park-Kansas City, MO-KS- 146,807,316
28. Cincinnati-Wilmington-Maysville, OH-KY-IN-144,341,004
29. Raleigh-Durham-Cary, NC- 139,705,491
30. Nashville-Davidson--Murfreesboro, TN-136,263,069
31. San Antonio-New Braunfels-Pearsall, TX-135,475,85
32. Milwaukee-Racine-Waukesha, WI -125,949,474
33. Las Vegas-Henderson, NV - 124,097,430
34. Hartford-East Hartford, CT- 118,760,321
35. Virginia Beach-Norfolk, VA-NC-104,927,219 (Richmond does not have CSA, it's MSA is Richmond, VA- $85,792,587)

The Bay Area definitely widened the gap some, but this also must be attributed to adding almost 1 million to it's CSA when the new designations were updated in 2018.

New York is a $2 trillion CSA.

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Old 12-12-2019, 01:55 PM
 
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2018 CSA (Combined Statistical Area) GDP $billions (top 35)

1. New York-Newark, NY-NJ-CT-PA- 2,001,353,399
2. Los Angeles-Long Beach, CA - 1,294,401,727
3. San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland, CA- 1,031,923,078
4. Washington-Baltimore-Arlington, DC-MD-VA-WV-PA - 780,349,484
5. Chicago-Naperville, IL-IN-WI - 706,627,638
6. Boston-Worcester-Providence, MA-RI-NH-CT - 657,390,710
7. Dallas-Fort Worth, TX-OK- 529,634,470
8. Philadelphia-Reading-Camden, PA-NJ-DE-MD- 499,250,327
9. Houston-The Woodlands, TX - 487,410,331
10. Seattle-Tacoma, WA -435,906,532
11. Atlanta--Athens-Clarke County--Sandy Springs, GA-AL- 435,553,033
12. Miami-Port St. Lucie-Fort Lauderdale, FL- 382,849,852
13. Detroit-Warren-Ann Arbor, MI - 316,813,628
14. Minneapolis-St. Paul, MN-WI - 284,278,101
15. Denver-Aurora, CO- 261,450,684
16. Phoenix-Mesa, AZ- 257,265,007
17. Cleveland-Akron-Canton, OH- 211,044,417
18. Portland-Vancouver-Salem, OR-WA - 197,998,189
19. Orlando-Lakeland-Deltona, FL- 189,135,274
20. Charlotte-Concord, NC-SC- 175,945,868
21. St. Louis-St. Charles-Farmington, MO-IL- 173,712,457
22. Pittsburgh-New Castle-Weirton, PA-OH-WV- 167,137,951
23. Indianapolis-Carmel-Muncie, IN- 160,354,399
24. Sacramento-Roseville, CA- 157,464,475
25. Salt Lake City-Provo-Orem, UT- 154,737,619
26. Columbus-Marion-Zanesville, OH-148,751,395
27. Kansas City-Overland Park-Kansas City, MO-KS- 146,807,316
28. Cincinnati-Wilmington-Maysville, OH-KY-IN-144,341,004
29. Raleigh-Durham-Cary, NC- 139,705,491
30. Nashville-Davidson--Murfreesboro, TN-136,263,069
31. San Antonio-New Braunfels-Pearsall, TX-135,475,85
32. Milwaukee-Racine-Waukesha, WI -125,949,474
33. Las Vegas-Henderson, NV - 124,097,430
34. Hartford-East Hartford, CT- 118,760,321
35. Virginia Beach-Norfolk, VA-NC-104,927,219 (Richmond does not have CSA, it's MSA is Richmond, VA- $85,792,587)

The Bay Area definitely widened the gap some, but this also must be attributed to adding almost 1 million to it's CSA when the new designations were updated in 2018.

New York is a $2 trillion CSA.
Chicago, as well, pretty much doesn't have a CSA.
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Old 12-12-2019, 03:01 PM
 
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Here's a 5-year growth chart for the 20 largest MSA GDPs.

2013-2018 Metro Area(MSA) GDP Growth:
+$332.642B New York +23.10%
+$227.308B Los Angeles +27.70%
+$165.369B San Francisco +43.14%
+$117.882B Dallas +29.87%
+$115.532B San Jose +53.61%
+$111.800B Chicago +19.35%
+$107.778B Seattle +37.91%
+$97.900B Boston +26.77%
+$97.343B Atlanta +32.45%
+$92.619B Washington +20.67%
+$69.674B Philadelphia +18.60%
+$83.263B Miami +30.67%
+$57.268B Phoenix +28.93%
+$55.012B Houston +12.98%
+$53.627B San Diego +28.00%

+$51.840B Denver +34.03%
+$50 538 Minneapolis +23.60%
+$47.886B Detroit +21.78%
+$46.783B Riverside +33.33%
+$35.070B Baltimore +20.59%
Houston metro has twice as many people as San Diego (7M vs. 3.4M), but had the same growth.
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Old 12-12-2019, 03:33 PM
 
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Longtime posters may recall that I predicted several years ago, and it looks as if it's coming to fruition: Richmond and Raleigh are separating from their previously thought-to-be peers. It's been happening, and this is further evidence in data yet again...

Richmond's "stagnation" (we've actually had multiple posters correlate that word with Richmond, on this site, throughout this decade) was always greatly exaggerated; people have used that word to describe Richmond in comparison to Raleigh. And as I've defended many times in years past, I've been around both cities for a long enough period of time, the actual eyes and feet on the ground have never shown a separation----->neither does the data unless you strictly and unashamedly favor to population growth only...

Historically, Richmond has always been ahead of Raleigh, and unquestionably Raleigh's remarkable growth across the board allowed it to catch up to Richmond over the last two decades. So they are equals and peers in the truest sense, but I've lost count how many times this website, in my 8+ years here, has said Raleigh "passed" Richmond; that could very well be imminent within the next decade, but considering the fact that this board has threatened for the better part of THIS decade that Raleigh has surpassed or would surpass Richmond, again that is unfounded by the actual lived experience...

Alas I'm proud of both cities, and before we go down the rabbit hole of metro Raleigh (The Triangle), CSA Triangle has a GDP just shy of $140 billion, which places it in the neighborhood of MSAs of (just naming cities I've actually been to) Cleveland, Indianapolis, Kansas City, Nashville, Pittsburgh, and Sacramento, among others...

Nobody would ever mistake Raleigh with being on par with any of those cities, in most criteria, so unless you're explicitly looking for larger region correlation, Raleigh as a city always is more realistic to view at the MSA level (and even when they recombine, to view at the Raleigh-Cary future MD)...
Richmond is still firmly in the middle of the Buffalo-Hartford/SLC group of cities

New Orleans, Hartford, SLC, Providence being larger. Buffalo, Louisville, Birmingham, OKC being smaller.
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Old 12-12-2019, 03:39 PM
 
Location: Seattle, WA
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Houston metro has twice as many people as San Diego (7M vs. 3.4M), but had the same growth.
Well there was that recent article from Brookings that "Since 2005, five metro areas — Boston, the San Francisco Bay Area, San Jose, Seattle, and San Diego — accounted for 90 percent of all US growth in “innovation sector†jobs" That might be at play here along with energy prices.
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Old 12-12-2019, 04:04 PM
 
Location: Houston, TX
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Houston metro has twice as many people as San Diego (7M vs. 3.4M), but had the same growth.
Its because of the oil slump that occurred between 2015-2017. Of the 55 billion in GDP Houston grew between 2013-2018, 32 million of that was from 2017-2018. Its back on track it just went through a rough patch. In 2016, Houston's GDP actually decreased.
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Old 12-12-2019, 04:10 PM
 
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Well there was that recent article from Brookings that "Since 2005, five metro areas — Boston, the San Francisco Bay Area, San Jose, Seattle, and San Diego — accounted for 90 percent of all US growth in “innovation sector†jobs" That might be at play here along with energy prices.
I am aware of the report and do not find it surprising. Most San Diegans already realize that San Diego is a major hub for innovation, anchored by UCSD. It's still pretty overlooked in this regard around the rest of the country...fortunately...because San Diego doesn't need more attention. It's already super expensive just because of the climate. To some extent, I'm okay with people dismissing it as some sidelined military town.

Even with these jobs (which aren't very many), it's still hard to fathom that the 17th largest metro had similar GDP growth as the 5th largest, especially when Houston is a supposedly fast-growing sunbelt metro in Texas and San Diego only ranks 4th in California on this list. I guess I've just heard so much media focus on the failure of California and success of Texas, that it just comes as a surprise. The media really likes to make Texas appear as though it's overtaking California and everyone is fleeing to Texas for better opportunities. Am I alone in seeing this narrative everywhere?
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Old 12-12-2019, 04:23 PM
 
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Its because of the oil slump that occurred between 2015-2017. Of the 55 billion in GDP Houston grew between 2013-2018, 32 million of that was from 2017-2018. Its back on track it just went through a rough patch. In 2016, Houston's GDP actually decreased.
That's really interesting...but population growth has still been pretty robust? What are the dynamics between Houston GDP growth and the population growth? I'm completely clueless on this topic, but happened to notice that Houston (city) wasn't even in the top 15 for population gain from 2017-2018.
https://www.census.gov/newsroom/pres...estimates.html

Or is the Metro (suburban sprawl) growth still robust, but there is less development in the city of Houston? For a while there was a ton of cranes throughout Houston...which still is the case, correct?

On another note, I saw that Dallas' wasn't in the top 15 either in population growth, which surprised me. I'm guessing it's not the norm since they grew by so much the previous year.
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Old 12-12-2019, 04:29 PM
 
Location: Houston, TX
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That's really interesting...but population growth has still been pretty robust? What are the dynamics between Houston GDP growth and the population growth? I'm completely clueless on this topic, but happened to notice that Houston (city) wasn't even in the top 15 for population gain from 2017-2018.
https://www.census.gov/newsroom/pres...estimates.html

Or is the Metro (suburban sprawl) growth still robust, but there is less development in the city of Houston? For a while there was a ton of cranes throughout Houston...which still is the case, correct?

On another note, I saw that Dallas' wasn't in the top 15 either in population growth, which surprised me. I'm guessing it's not the norm since they grew by so much the previous year.
Most of the growth here is in the suburbs as opposed to the city. Its not different than Los Angeles for example.

Yeah, Houston's growth has still been robust but type of growth is important. During the years of the downturn, immigrants kept coming at a fever pitch and our growth has mainly been from them and their children. Since 2015, greater Houston has been shedding domestic residents (albeit not in huge number like Chicago or LA) but the massive amount of immigrant growth and the high birth rates have kept it going.
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Old 12-12-2019, 04:41 PM
 
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Houston hasn't been shedding domestic residents. It lost less than -10K each the last two years while gaining anywhere between +35-60K the prior 7 years before that annually. San Diego, for example, has lost way more domestic migrants in the last few years than Houston.


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That's really interesting...but population growth has still been pretty robust? What are the dynamics between Houston GDP growth and the population growth? I'm completely clueless on this topic, but happened to notice that Houston (city) wasn't even in the top 15 for population gain from 2017-2018.
https://www.census.gov/newsroom/pres...estimates.html

Or is the Metro (suburban sprawl) growth still robust, but there is less development in the city of Houston? For a while there was a ton of cranes throughout Houston...which still is the case, correct?

On another note, I saw that Dallas' wasn't in the top 15 either in population growth, which surprised me. I'm guessing it's not the norm since they grew by so much the previous year.

It's not surprising considering Houston is coming out of its biggest energy slump that has luckily coincided with the overall US economy's boom. Houston is still one of the hottest highrise residential markets in the country, and the inner city neighborhoods have been booming. There are a ton of cranes all over the city still. Just instead of being for office towers like in 2012, they are for condos and apartments.
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