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When looking at median household income, all 3 of those areas are essentially the same.
Household income is heavily influenced by size of households and number of persons working in each household, neither of which well reflect personal income. Real personal income also adjusts compensation for the cost of living in individual MSAs.
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In terms of the Mormon Church, look up Palmyra NY(were Joseph Smith grew up) and Hill Cumorah.
Without its organization in Kirtland, it's possible that the Mormon and specifically the LDS sect may have never amounted more to an historic cult.
The phrase rock and roll was coined by Alan Freed who became popular as a DJ in Cleveland in the 1950's. He was one of the first white DJ's to play black music on a white radio station. Not sure if that's why there's the connection, but that could be it.
That's true on Alan Freed. Also, a lot of rock artists and bands got their exposure in Cleveland via radio or live performance. Plus, the Coasts and the South's rock n' roll scenes were more homogeneous IMO.
20th century (1900-2000): Detroit
Before 20th century: Pittsburgh
I still am wondering how Cleveland has got mixed up with rock n roll. I don't get the connection.
The term Rock n' Roll was coined by Cleveland DJ Alan Freed plus a lot of Rock n' Roll artists got their first major exposure in Cleveland through WMMS, the rock station or performing at the Agora Theatre. And, I know a lot of people, their mother and the music industry elite don't like the Hall of Fame being in Cleveland.
The term Rock n' Roll was coined by Cleveland DJ Alan Freed plus a lot of Rock n' Roll artists got their first major exposure in Cleveland through WMMS, the rock station or performing at the Agora Theatre. And, I know a lot of people, their mother and the music industry elite don't like the Hall of Fame being in Cleveland.
Literally not one actual person cares that the RRHOF is in Cleveland.
Most HOF are not in big “elite” cities. Nobody hates Cooperstown or Canton or Springfield for stealing sports HOF.
Riverside CA has the international Boxing Hall of game and nobody cares.
No Hockey town feels slighted because the American Hockey Hall of Fame is in Washington DC
Nobody hates Cleveland your victim mentality is unbelievable
Household income is heavily influenced by size of households and number of persons working in each household, neither of which well reflect personal income. Real personal income also adjusts compensation for the cost of living in individual MSAs.
Without its organization in Kirtland, it's possible that the Mormon and specifically the LDS sect may have never amounted more to an historic cult.
You can say the same for per capita income, as it counts heads and the type also impacts the numbers(i.e.-Buffalo is a refugee resettlement hub in the way the other 2 aren't). so, that also has to be considered as well.
Again, the LDS got its start in Upstate NY, by a man that was largely raised in Upstate NY. So, its origins are in Upstate NY and are celebrated there annually(until 2020): https://history.churchofjesuschrist....morah?lang=eng
Cleveland was, and still is home to the Cleveland-Cliffs Iron Mining Company, which dominated the movement of iron ore on the Great Lakes during the steel industry's heyday, and developed the techniques for refining and pelletizing taconite (a replacement for the exhausted ore supply of the Mesabi Range).
Buffalo deserves mention because the completion of the Erie Canal reduced the cost of moving grain and other feedstock between the Great Lakes and the Port of New York by over 90 per cent. This also assured that New York, rather than Philadelphia or Baltimore, would become America's most prominent city.
But with regard to football -- its origins lie in dozens of secondary cities (Akron, Youngstown, Massillon, Pottsville) and schools throughout the American Heavy Industrial Homeland. Canton is as suitable a place as any.
And with regard to the most influential Rust Belt metro, my vote has to go to Detroit; I have no real connection to the city -- but I grew up listening to Tom Shannon (with some leavening by Ernie Harwell) rather than Alan Fried or Jerry Blavat. And a review of the Motor City's sociological and cultural background defines it as a magnet for three separate diasporas -- rural whites escaping the drudgery of the agrarian economy, European ethnic groups of every variety, and African-Americans from the Deep South. They all went into the crucible in which an American consensus was shaped; the process continues and economics, rather than political bickering, is the driving force.
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Literally not one actual person cares that the RRHOF is in Cleveland.
Most HOF are not in big “elite” cities. Nobody hates Cooperstown or Canton or Springfield for stealing sports HOF.
Riverside CA has the international Boxing Hall of game and nobody cares.
No Hockey town feels slighted because the American Hockey Hall of Fame is in Washington DC
Nobody hates Cleveland your victim mentality is unbelievable
I meant "everybody and their mother" as sarcasm. But, the music industry objected to the museum being in Cleveland when it was being developed back in the '80s. Jann Werner came out and said that he felt that it should've been in NYC instead of Cleveland. Also, you mention other HOFs, at least their induction ceremonies are held in the same city. RRHOF inductions were held only in NYC for years after the museum was built in Cleveland because they refused to step foot in Cleveland for years. They decided to have it one time in 1997, and then they didn't start coming back to Cleveland 'til 2009. Now, they're starting to alternate every year between Cleveland and New York. Plus, Howard Stern hated the fact he had to come to Cleveland last year for the inductions. So, this is not a victim mentality, this is what I know, read and heard about. Where did I say everybody hates Cleveland?
I meant "everybody and their mother" as sarcasm. But, the music industry objected to the museum being in Cleveland when it was being developed back in the '80s. Jann Werner came out and said that he felt that it should've been in NYC instead of Cleveland. Also, you mention other HOFs, at least their induction ceremonies are held in the same city. RRHOF inductions were held only in NYC for years after the museum was built in Cleveland because they refused to step foot in Cleveland for years. They decided to have it one time in 1997, and then they didn't start coming back to Cleveland 'til 2009. Now, they're starting to alternate every year between Cleveland and New York. Plus, Howard Stern hated the fact he had to come to Cleveland last year for the inductions. So, this is not a victim mentality, this is what I know, read and heard about. Where did I say everybody hates Cleveland?
Oh no Howard Stern hates something better that that to heart.
Obviously putting something like the RRHOF will be more conserversial than say the Basketball hOF because music wasn’t invented in Cleveland and unlike Springfield it can not claim to be the “home” of Rock and Roll the same way. That’s not a slight on Cleveland that’s a factor of having a broader hall of fame.
Cooperstown, Canton and Riverside where kind of picked as a middle ground where “nobody gets it”
Oh my god this thread and the umpteen thousand more like it. I wish city data would ban the word Cleveland and Pittsburgh from being allowed in the same thread.
20th century (1900-2000): Detroit
Before 20th century: Pittsburgh
I still am wondering how Cleveland has got mixed up with rock n roll. I don't get the connection.
That is a pretty good breakdown between Pittsburgh and Detroit, although I might extend Pittsburgh a decade or two in the 1900s (took a while for the Detroit auto industry to take off).
However, during the colonial era, Detroit was a French and later British fort and trading center. So I would say it was something like this....
1700s - Detroit
1800s - Pittsburgh
1900s - Detroit
Regarding Cleveland and Rock N Roll. I do not associate Cleveland with Rock either. But future generations probably will because Cleveland was smart to push for the museum to locate there.
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