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Old 12-20-2019, 10:46 PM
 
Location: Los Altos Hills, CA
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2010s in Review: Which Metros Changed the Most?

1 Nashville
2 Portland
3 Austin
4 San Francisco
5 Denver
6 Seattle
7 San Jose
8 Salt Lake City
9 Raleigh
10 San Diego

https://www.apartmentlist.com/renton...-of-the-2010s/
As far as total economic growth this decade, all 10 of these metro areas are among this list of metros growing about 10% faster or greater than the nation as a whole.

2010-2018 GDP Growth by MSA:
(by percent)
+92.06% San Jose*
+72.26% San Francisco
+63.62% Austin
+63.19% Seattle

+61.34% San Antonio
+59.31% Nashville
+56.22% Raleigh

+55.01% Charlotte
+53.07% Salt Lake City
+52.67% Denver

+51.73% Riverside
+51.32% Dallas
+50.12% Orlando
+49.34% Portland
+48.63% Sacramento
+47.82% Atlanta
+47.00% Phoenix
+45.63% San Diego

+36% UNITED STATES

Kudos to every metro in this growth list.

*San Jose should surpass 100% GDP growth decade-over-decade this year(2019)
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Old 12-20-2019, 10:52 PM
 
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Lets just break this down a bit-if your city is pushing 700,000 population, and you haven't even started a metro rail, is it more likely that you will a)eventually build one or b)never build one.

I know what my answer is.

Atlanta, being a world Alpha city with 1000+ foot skyscrapers, the #1 airport in the country, and a heavy rail subway, has graduated from the "boomtown" designation I would say. They aren't getting hot, they've made it. They're there.

Nashville said thanks but no thanks to 26 miles of light rail and 4 BRT lines because the voters didn't want it. It wasn't a small margin that decided this.

Its a suburban city, and in such places you usually don't see things like metro rail funded by tax increases and skyscrapers that don't have the requisite 10,000 parking spaces.

It's never happening.
You do realize that Nashville's proposal was very ambitious for a starter system? Cities like Atlanta and Charlotte started building their systems in increments. Don't see why Nashville would be any different if a more manageable proposal was put on the table.
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Old 12-20-2019, 10:55 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn, NY
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Originally Posted by 18Montclair View Post
As far as total economic growth this decade, all 10 of these metro areas are among this list of metros growing about 10% faster or greater than the nation as a whole.

2010-2018 GDP Growth by MSA:
(by percent)
+92.06% San Jose*
+72.26% San Francisco
+63.62% Austin
+63.19% Seattle

+61.34% San Antonio
+59.31% Nashville
+56.22% Raleigh

+55.01% Charlotte
+53.07% Salt Lake City
+52.67% Denver

+51.73% Riverside
+51.32% Dallas
+50.12% Orlando
+49.34% Portland
+48.63% Sacramento
+47.82% Atlanta
+47.00% Phoenix
+45.63% San Diego

+36% UNITED STATES

Kudos to every metro in this growth list.

*San Jose should surpass 100% GDP growth decade-over-decade this year(2019)
Wow, incredible growth! Congrats to them all--huge achievements.
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Old 12-21-2019, 07:27 AM
 
Location: Houston, Tx
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Default My question

My question is.. Is all that change a good thing?
A lot of us older folks think that Nashville was a better place before all these changes occurred.
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Old 12-21-2019, 08:23 AM
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Location: ^##
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Looks like a top-10 list of places that were better off 50 years ago, although I wouldn't have liked Raleigh or Nashville back then either. I remember living near Nashville as a kid, and yes, it was generally more tolerable back then. Growth-at-all-costs comes with a price.
Salt Lake might be better, I have no problems with Mormons whatsoever, but that it's been evened out can be a good thing. Unfortunately there, the culture comes across as either Mormon or anti-Mormon. As someone who could care less and respects all religions, that edge doesn't really appeal to me.

Last edited by sub; 12-21-2019 at 08:49 AM..
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Old 12-21-2019, 09:39 AM
 
Location: That star on your map in the middle of the East Coast, DMV
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Looks like a top-10 list of places that were better off 50 years ago, although I wouldn't have liked Raleigh or Nashville back then either. I remember living near Nashville as a kid, and yes, it was generally more tolerable back then. Growth-at-all-costs comes with a price.
Salt Lake might be better, I have no problems with Mormons whatsoever, but that it's been evened out can be a good thing. Unfortunately there, the culture comes across as either Mormon or anti-Mormon. As someone who could care less and respects all religions, that edge doesn't really appeal to me.
Looks like a top 10 list of places that white people like to relocate to. Nothing wrong with it at all, but the list is pretty generic to me. Even the two in the South have the least amount of Black diversity. All pleasant places to live, but not sure I would be a great fit for most of them.
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Old 12-21-2019, 10:02 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Losfrisco View Post
Lets just break this down a bit-if your city is pushing 700,000 population, and you haven't even started a metro rail, is it more likely that you will a)eventually build one or b)never build one.

I know what my answer is.

Atlanta, being a world Alpha city with 1000+ foot skyscrapers, the #1 airport in the country, and a heavy rail subway, has graduated from the "boomtown" designation I would say. They aren't getting hot, they've made it. They're there.

Nashville said thanks but no thanks to 26 miles of light rail and 4 BRT lines because the voters didn't want it. It wasn't a small margin that decided this.

Its a suburban city, and in such places you usually don't see things like metro rail funded by tax increases and skyscrapers that don't have the requisite 10,000 parking spaces.

It's never happening.
Nashville just crossed the 2M threshold as a metropolitan area and became a boomtown 10 years ago or so. To say that it has already crossed the point of no return with respect to rail after the failure of its first referendum is preposterous and doesn't jibe with reality.

Practically all Sunbelt cities with rail are suburban cities LOL.

I just hope you don't have a stroke if and when Nashville does pass a referendum on rail.
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Old 12-21-2019, 10:07 AM
 
Location: Bergen County, New Jersey
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There's your red flag.

Nashville has been a city since 1806. If it sat in relative obscurity for hundreds of years, there's probably a good reason for it.
What? ... Just because a city has been present does not mean its not up and coming. Nashville is growing like crazy and has a new 775ft tower through the pipeline now. Its kindof a big deal... New Bedford MA has been there since the late 1600s but has a ton of projects going through the town. Its up and coming and changing fast...
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Old 12-21-2019, 10:40 AM
 
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Looks like a top 10 list of places that white people like to relocate to. Nothing wrong with it at all, but the list is pretty generic to me. Even the two in the South have the least amount of Black diversity. All pleasant places to live, but not sure I would be a great fit for most of them.
Pound for pound, for Black people, Raleigh has the best QOL metrics and economic opportunity with a sizable Black population and robust Black cultural infrastructure in place. The larger region, which includes nearby Durham, is an excellent option for Black folks although it may not be your personal cup of tea. But the reason why this list isn't full of cities that are the most popular for Black folks is because we are mostly moving to the largest metro areas--ATL, DFW, Houston, DC, etc.--and a list of this sort will be more reflective of smaller metro areas that can post larger rates of growth.
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Old 12-21-2019, 12:19 PM
 
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Looks like a top 10 list of places that white people like to relocate to. Nothing wrong with it at all, but the list is pretty generic to me. Even the two in the South have the least amount of Black diversity. All pleasant places to live, but not sure I would be a great fit for most of them.
Omg...this. So true. I’m so glad someone finally said it and wrote it. Particularly for Nashville and the others. Not so much for Raleigh (which is why it is pro’ly near the very bottom of the list).
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