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Old 07-06-2020, 04:23 PM
 
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So calling out Corrupt officers is turning our backs on all police? So the solution is to prove them right? I guess more than just a few cops are corrupt by this logic. The while system must be corrupt.

The NYPD has a 6 billion dollar budget. They get a extra couple thousand for every drug bust. They don't need THAT much money. They need to be refunded.

YOU just admitted we have spoiled brats running around in Uniform.
There is a difference between calling out bad cops and calling out all cops like what is happening right now...
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Old 07-06-2020, 04:54 PM
 
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There is a difference between calling out bad cops and calling out all cops like what is happening right now...
It's about calling out the system which encourages and allows bad cops to thrive - nothing will change if the culture of the "blue wall" doesn't change and if the current lack of accountability doesn't change. Also, priorities should be switched from purchasing expensive military-style equipment to more time on things like de-escalation training. Bad seeds like Derek Chauvin with a laundry list of complaints against them should have been weeded out years ago.

Police are increasingly swallowing up higher and higher shares of city budgets - there is reason to question that and to wonder if some of their responsibilities can be shifted towards those better equipped to deal with things like non-violent mental health breakdowns, etc.
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Old 07-06-2020, 05:03 PM
 
Location: Soundview
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What do you propose then?
Doing their job in a effective way without brutality?
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Old 07-06-2020, 05:07 PM
 
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There is a difference between calling out bad cops and calling out all cops like what is happening right now...
When cops do so much to defend those bad cops what are we supposed to say?
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Old 07-06-2020, 05:35 PM
 
Location: 215
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Chicago is pretty much on pace with the horrifying numbers of 2016, which means that 700 to 800 homicides is a real possibiity. I just remember how city leaders were there on January 1st fist bumping over three years of dropping homicide numbers. I get that this is a weird year, a tough year, everywhere. But there is no reason to think that those three years weren't just lucky, because the things that cause Chicago's gun violence (segregation, inequality, a garbage economy) are as bad or even worse than before.
To be fair, it's also the 3rd largest US city, so it being the largest in homicides shouldn't be that much of a concern when compared to other cities. It's usually blown out of proportion; the homicide rate hasn't cracked the top 10 in a while.
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Old 07-06-2020, 10:38 PM
 
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There is a difference between calling out bad cops and calling out all cops like what is happening right now...
Doesn't sound too much different than Americans stereotyping black people like they've done for 400 years.
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Old 07-06-2020, 10:47 PM
 
Location: Houston
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To be fair, it's also the 3rd largest US city, so it being the largest in homicides shouldn't be that much of a concern when compared to other cities. It's usually blown out of proportion; the homicide rate hasn't cracked the top 10 in a while.



When you end the year with more homicides than the 1st and 2nd largest cities combined you have a major problem!
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Old 07-06-2020, 11:24 PM
 
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Most recent LAPD stats released today, as of 6/27, LA was at 132 homicides, with at least 4 being officer-involved shootings that almost certainly will be ruled justfiable.

At this time in 2019, there were 127, with 4 of those officer-involved.

At this time in 2018, there were 131, with 10 of those officer-involved.

So it looks like murders are up slightly in LA from 2018: 121-> 2019: 124-> 2020: 128. Still, it doesn't seem like LA is seeing the big spike that some cities are this year. Keeping fingers crossed.
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Old 07-07-2020, 01:23 AM
 
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When you end the year with more homicides than the 1st and 2nd largest cities combined you have a major problem!
Not to say that Chicago is doing good, but its city population is basically the same as the cities of Detroit/Cleveland/St. Louis/Kansas City/Cincinnati/Indianapolis combined ... The combined number of murders in the others will dwarf Chicago alone. It's not saying much because none of those cities (including Chicago) are in competition for being among the safest.
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Old 07-07-2020, 04:59 AM
 
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Not to say that Chicago is doing good, but its city population is basically the same as the cities of Detroit/Cleveland/St. Louis/Kansas City/Cincinnati/Indianapolis combined ... The combined number of murders in the others will dwarf Chicago alone. It's not saying much because none of those cities (including Chicago) are in competition for being among the safest.
You know, I get irritated when mass media zombies see Chicago with 700 murders and go "oh wow most dangerous city in America!", because it makes me think they don't realize Chicago, if not a true Alpha World City anymore, is still a huge global city with 1/3 of NY's population and a skyline to match.

On the other hand, it's started to irritate me to see people downplaying Chicago's carnage by bringing up it's overall rate, which includes the whole city. I also haven't historically wanted to agree with the people who have said Chicagos worst neighborhoods are just about the worst in the country, but I am beginning to believe them more and more.

Like for instance, when I, or other people compare Philadelphia to Chicago, I think of how Chicago has 90 more square miles than Philly, but Chicago has that many more safe neighborhoods than Philly, so I think if you took the 90 safest square miles from Chicago, it would actually be more dangerous.

I was just thinking tonight, that Chicago is about on track to end with 200 more homicides than just last year, when Philly is on track to beat last year's count by maybe 70 homicides? That would be well under half and Philly has 60% Chicago's population. Anyway... This is still a very weird year indeed.
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