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This never happened. Baltimore never had the murder capital title until 2015 or '16. The 10s era Bmore is the worst era in the city's history, I dont know where he's looking, because at best Bmore has had that distinction just once subsequently...
Also Memphis gets exaggerated too, again facing the worst crime era in its history. Like Bmore, its never been particularly "safe", but Memphis is not historically bad as some other cities...
The Big City Triumvirate of murder capitals has swung back and forth between Nola and Motown more than anywhere else. St Louis had a few years in the 80s it jumped in there, and its 10s level of violence adds to its legacy. Other cities like DC and Rich are the only other cities of size to ever hit an 80/100 murder rate, the only other cities to come close are suburbs of large cities (like Gary, EStL) or small cities (Flint)...no other sizable cities have done that...
Other cities have violent legacies but not to the degree if these cities. Bmore was never a more dangerous city than DC or Rich until the 2010s when those cities began a marked turnaround, resurgence, and revitalization that Bmore hasn't seen...
Baltimore has had a higher rate than DC every year since 2004 and a higher rate than Richmond every year since 2006 and it really hasn't been close.
The only year Baltimore had the highest rate of any big city is 1999 when it was slightly higher than Detroit, New Orleans, St. Louis and DC.
This never happened. Baltimore never had the murder capital title until 2015 or '16. The 10s era Bmore is the worst era in the city's history, I dont know where he's looking, because at best Bmore has had that distinction just once subsequently...
Also Memphis gets exaggerated too, again facing the worst crime era in its history. Like Bmore, its never been particularly "safe", but Memphis is not historically bad as some other cities...
The Big City Triumvirate of murder capitals has swung back and forth between Nola and Motown more than anywhere else. St Louis had a few years in the 80s it jumped in there, and its 10s level of violence adds to its legacy. Other cities like DC and Rich are the only other cities of size to ever hit an 80/100 murder rate, the only other cities to come close are suburbs of large cities (like Gary, EStL) or small cities (Flint)...no other sizable cities have done that...
Other cities have violent legacies but not to the degree if these cities. Bmore was never a more dangerous city than DC or Rich until the 2010s when those cities began a marked turnaround, resurgence, and revitalization that Bmore hasn't seen...
You & others can check out my thread on these cities paat homicides (1930s-60s) and come to a broader perspective.
Memphis was in the range quite a few times. Ditto for Atlanta & Birmingham.
So far this year, Gary has had 167 shooting victims that were nonfatal, an increase of about 57% since the same time last year, and 54 homicides, down about 5%. Gary Indiana
East Saint Louis, IL 36 homicides
East Chicago, Indiana 11 homicides
Youngstown, Ohio 27
Akron, Ohio 45
Columbus, Ohio 166
Cleveland 185 the highest was 175 in 1991
Houston 393 if city pass 400 it be highest since crack era of 1980 and 1990s
NYC 440ish the highest homicides since 2007-2011 days when gentrification swept through city in alarming rate. .
Youngstown is lower than I would have guessed this year.
Baltimore has had a higher rate than DC every year since 2004 and a higher rate than Richmond every year since 2006 and it really hasn't been close.
The only year Baltimore had the highest rate of any big city is 1999 when it was slightly higher than Detroit, New Orleans, St. Louis and DC.
In the 2000's when DC started gentrifying, Prince Georges County saw a 70% increase in crime. The amount of murders between SE and NE DC was always around 120-160 with about 250k. Inner Beltway PG county which is about 350k always would have about 80% of its 120-150 murders in the county. So while Baltimore city had a higher rate since 2004, the rate was always about the same between Baltimore city and NESE DC and innder PG county
Baltimore city in the 2000's 220-287 murders pop 650k
NE and SE DC and Inner beltway PG county 220-260 murders pop 600k.
PG county in the 2000's used to have 900k and peaked at a rate of 20.
Baltimore has had a higher rate than DC every year since 2004 and a higher rate than Richmond every year since 2006 and it really hasn't been close.
The only year Baltimore had the highest rate of any big city is 1999 when it was slightly higher than Detroit, New Orleans, St. Louis and DC.
I researched this before, I just gotta revisit it and I'll be back later. My point is, historically, at least 70s thru the 00s, DC and Richmond are historically more violent cities than Baltimore. Baltimore took that mantle over both in the late 00s, and in no DECADE from 70s on was Baltimore a more deadly city than those two. Those two just tore it down and rebuilt starting about 12-13 years ago to a degree Baltimore hasn't seen, but historically Baltimore isn't where those two cities are and has never had a peak homicide rate even hit 60, of which both DC and Rich have multiple years apiece over that and both cities peaked at 80 per 100k...
This is the worst era in Baltimore's history and it hasn't hit 60--->and hopefully it doesn't, I'm just making the point that historically, the carnage seen in DC and Richmond over a 50-year time span was significantly greater than what Baltimore is doing in its worst era. Baltimore is a rough town without a doubt, but takes on an inflated notoriety by putting up the numbers it is, in an era (2010s+) where most cities saw historic reductions in violence until 2016 or so, and even with violence rising since '16, most of those cities aren't anywhere near what they were doing at peak levels...
Richmond and Washington, for cities that anchor over 1-million metros, are two of the 10 most violent cities in American history, at least for 1970-2009...
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You & others can check out my thread on these cities paat homicides (1930s-60s) and come to a broader perspective.
Memphis was in the range quite a few times. Ditto for Atlanta & Birmingham.
NYC had 10 homicides this past week. Brings total to 447, a 41% increase from last year, highest total since 2011.
After a record low 292 homicides in 2017, NYC has had 3 consecutive years of rising homicides.
2017:292
2018: 295
2019: 319
2020: 447
Next year should be interesting. Another increase and you're talking numbers you haven't seen in 20 years. However, NYC has had fluctuating numbers for much of the 2000s, so it may go down next year as well. We shall see.
I researched this before, I just gotta revisit it and I'll be back later. My point is, historically, at least 70s thru the 00s, DC and Richmond are historically more violent cities than Baltimore. Baltimore took that mantle over both in the late 00s, and in no DECADE from 70s on was Baltimore a more deadly city than those two. Those two just tore it down and rebuilt starting about 12-13 years ago to a degree Baltimore hasn't seen, but historically Baltimore isn't where those two cities are and has never had a peak homicide rate even hit 60, of which both DC and Rich have multiple years apiece over that and both cities peaked at 80 per 100k...
This is the worst era in Baltimore's history and it hasn't hit 60--->and hopefully it doesn't, I'm just making the point that historically, the carnage seen in DC and Richmond over a 50-year time span was significantly greater than what Baltimore is doing in its worst era. Baltimore is a rough town without a doubt, but takes on an inflated notoriety by putting up the numbers it is, in an era (2010s+) where most cities saw historic reductions in violence until 2016 or so, and even with violence rising since '16, most of those cities aren't anywhere near what they were doing at peak levels...
Richmond and Washington, for cities that anchor over 1-million metros, are two of the 10 most violent cities in American history, at least for 1970-2009...
I'm gonna dive in there in a minute!
Posting DC/Bmore/RVA in historic homicides thread...
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