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It's relevant of our conversation above to note that the #7 amd #8 happened outside of the gloomy hole of North St. Louis doom. They happened in Dutchtown (near trendy Tower Grove) and downtown. Yes, I know people are murdered in downtowns all over America. But St. Louis is just seeming downright scary these days.
I believe only two of the eight homicides thus far have actually occurred in north city. Dutchtown, even though it's in south city, has its problems. It was actually good for a number of south city's homicides in previous years.
As for St. Louis seeming scary, it seems you all finally noticed how high the homicide rate. The fact that they're happening so quickly is distressing though, and the local media is picking up on it. The police chief doesn't seem to have any good ideas, but the mayor at least wants to try and get Missouri to lift residency requirements and try to pay officers better than they currently are. The city is currently down 130 something officers, and the fact that the county pays more and is less dangerous is certainly a factor.
This is absolutely true and was one of the things that really bothered me about living in St. Louis. But frankly it is true of Chicago, too. I just don't get how people can truly celebrate a city where you neither visit nor talk about anything other than the 1/3 of the city that is white, wealthy, and comparably safe. It might be real nice living in your little bourgeois bubble, but don't tell me "Chicago is great" when your "Chicago" consists of a devastatingly small fraction of the real Chicago (or St. Louis) or whatever.
At least St. Louisans are honest and admit that when they tell people they love St. Louis they usually mean the St. Louis area and not the city itself (outside of a few niche areas west and south of downtown).
I can't speak for St Louis, but it's homicide rate is over 3.5 times that of Chicago and Chicago has almost 10 times as many people.
As someone in another post calculated, 65% of people in Chicago live in census tracts that had 0 homicides during 2019.
It's certainly still FAR too high, but I would never say that people who live in stable and relatively to very safe areas of the city when it comes to violent crime and murder are in a "devastatingly small fraction" of the real city. If anything there's a complacency from people when it comes to murders because relatively speaking most people in the city live in areas where murders aren't commonplace.
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As I posted in the 2019 thread, Cleveland finished last year with what looks to be a six-year low at 118. But the new year hasn't been good so far. It's now at at least three and there could be as many as five ... there was a critical in a spat of 13 shootings between the final hours of new year's eve and early new years, though haven't seen an update and actually not sure if the critical was one that happened in 2019 or 2020 either; and there was a woman who was seen being dumped out of a car on a side street (though cause of death was overdose, but guessing charges could be upgraded in that one).
And on the metro level, there already was a fatal shooting in Bedford Heights (another also shot in that incident) and a man and woman were shot to death in Concord Township, and a standoff followed. Bedford Heights is suburban and pretty safe. Concord Township is very suburban. Tonight, two are also in critical condition in a double shooting in Lorain.
Anyway, of the six for sure in the metro, only one of them was on the eastside of the city (where about half usually take place) ... and that one was actually a shooting victim who died when being transported to the hospital and the ambulance was hit by a car. He was then put in a second ambulance but died on the way, so who knows if he would've survived if not for the accident.
Overall, some fluky things (the first homicide was a guy on the westside who killed is girlfriend "popping off" rounds on new years), but usually Cleveland starts off calm in January/Februry before instances like these start happening more once the weather starts turning ... though the temperatures have been in the mid-40s, which very mild for this time of year.
Update- So the 13 year old boy who was shot in the face last Wednesday didn't die, but is in critical condition. Rumored to have involved a gang- Latin Kings.
Two are police-involved/self-defense and a man assaulted in the Little Village neighborhood end of last year recently died from injuries so I counted that too. https://chicago.suntimes.com/2020/1/...es-24th-street
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