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Old 03-20-2024, 11:35 PM
 
Location: Austin, TX
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Not to mention Houston's new mayor seems to be going out his way to get rid of funding and programs that were specifically aimed at making the city more friendly for pedestrians.
The new mayor of Houston is an idiot and will definitely hinder Houston’s ability to create a pedestrian friendly environment.
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Old 03-21-2024, 12:46 AM
 
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One thing I think Dallas is gonna do significantly better than the other two is the Urban suburbs. I think DARt and the fact that many if not most Dallasites live in communities of 100,000 plus is gonna outweigh Atlanta and Houston’s more unincorporated nature. Large suburbs are far more likely to build large suburban downtowns and with DART dropping rail lines everywhere I’m convinced that in 15 years as far as suburban Downtowns Dallas will be running away with it. MARTA could make a move to catch up, but with no real large city governments smaller suburbs are far more likely to restrict density on the basis of maintaining their small town character everywhere.
And yet the exact opposite is playing out in real life. Smaller suburbs all across the Atlanta region are bulking up their downtowns in impressive ways, and Forsyth Couty, GA, north of Atlanta, only has one incorporated municipality but they can't build enough mixed-use/New Urbanist-esque developments like Halcyon and Vickery Village and others are on the drawing board like the proposed Gathering at South Forsyth and Coal Mountain.

Although Atlanta only has one suburb with at least 100K residents, Sandy Springs is doing a decent job of creating a New Urbanist-esque downtown from scratch where there was none. Smaller suburbs have done great jobs of doing the same or building up their traditional downtowns, such as Alpharetta, Decatur, Marietta, Duluth, Roswell, College Park, East Point, Lawrenceville, Smyrna, Suwanee, etc. Then there's unique developments Serenbe, Trilith, etc.
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Old 03-21-2024, 05:08 AM
 
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The new mayor of Houston is an idiot and will definitely hinder Houston’s ability to create a pedestrian friendly environment.
I heard that he is a complete reversal of the last few in just his first few months.

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So Atlanta in 2024 is already ahead of Dallas and Houston when it comes to their urban cores but I think Atlanta's recently new approved developments will continue to solidify it's places above Houston and Dallas.

These 3 developments will change Atlanta dramatically.

https://www.axios.com/local/atlanta/...tlanta-funding

https://roughdraftatlanta.com/2024/0...t-of-downtown/

https://www.atlantanewsfirst.com/202...year-facelift/

These 3 developments are not just a case of infill but they're intentionally revitalizing Atlanta to be more pedestrian friendly.

Dallas has a lot of impactful projects but they still have a lot of emptiness in between their urban centers in the core so it'll take more time to infill these dead areas. Houston has more infill but a good amount of new development going on in their urban core isn't really addressing pedestrians. Not to mention Houston's new mayor seems to be going out his way to get rid of funding and programs that were specifically aimed at making the city more friendly for pedestrians. Also the I-45 project isn't going to help urbanize the core in the least bit either.

Atlanta seems to be the only one out the 3 really committed to making their urban core more walkable on a large scale.

And let's not forget about this project:
https://beltline.org/transit/

Now I don't know if this project will see the light of the day but there's still hope. If this somehow gets approved than Atlanta is really separating itself from the other 2.
Why do you think Houston's I45 project won't help. It's it because they don't have plans for what comes next? It's it too wide?
Do you think the deck park near NRG will ever be built? That could be a game changer like your first link.
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Old 03-21-2024, 06:57 AM
 
Location: St Simons Island, GA
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And yet the exact opposite is playing out in real life. Smaller suburbs all across the Atlanta region are bulking up their downtowns in impressive ways, and Forsyth Couty, GA, north of Atlanta, only has one incorporated municipality but they can't build enough mixed-use/New Urbanist-esque developments like Halcyon and Vickery Village and others are on the drawing board like the proposed Gathering at South Forsyth and Coal Mountain.

Although Atlanta only has one suburb with at least 100K residents, Sandy Springs is doing a decent job of creating a New Urbanist-esque downtown from scratch where there was none. Smaller suburbs have done great jobs of doing the same or building up their traditional downtowns, such as Alpharetta, Decatur, Marietta, Duluth, Roswell, College Park, East Point, Lawrenceville, Smyrna, Suwanee, etc. Then there's unique developments Serenbe, Trilith, etc.
There really isn't an incorporated suburb in Atlanta that doesn't have some kind of downtown initiative going on. Even unincorporated areas like North Druid Hills (Lulah Hills) are getting in the swing of things.

https://www.bing.com/alink/link?url=...59132661626986
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Old 03-21-2024, 07:51 AM
 
Location: Dallas,Texas
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So Atlanta in 2024 is already ahead of Dallas and Houston when it comes to their urban cores but I think Atlanta's recently new approved developments will continue to solidify it's places above Houston and Dallas.

These 3 developments will change Atlanta dramatically.

https://www.axios.com/local/atlanta/...tlanta-funding

https://roughdraftatlanta.com/2024/0...t-of-downtown/

https://www.atlantanewsfirst.com/202...year-facelift/

These 3 developments are not just a case of infill but they're intentionally revitalizing Atlanta to be more pedestrian

Dallas has a lot of impactful projects but they still have a lot of emptiness in between their urban centers in the core so it'll take more time to infill these dead areas. Houston has more infill but a good amount of new development going on in their urban core isn't really addressing pedestrians. Not to mention Houston's new mayor seems to be going out his way to get rid of funding and programs that were specifically aimed at making the city more friendly for pedestrians. Also the I-45 project isn't going to help urbanize the core in the least bit either.

Atlanta seems to be the only one out the 3 really committed to making their urban core more walkable on a large scale.

And let's not forget about this project:
https://beltline.org/transit/

Now I don't know if this project will see the light of the day but there's still hope. If this somehow gets approved than Atlanta is really separating itself from the other 2.
That looks nice.

Sounds similar to what they’re doing to the Convention Center area of Downtown, but of course, there’s not 50 acres of continuous vacant or underutilized land in downtown. It’s totally being rebuilt with high speed rail, streetcar connections, improved pedestrian friendly streets, and a deck park over I-30 linking to The Cedars. The new convention center is already underway, but the high speed rail connections to Houston and Ft Worth are still in the planning stages…not sure if that will ever take off. New freed up land will make it possible for a new entertainment district to be built.


https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=...&v=-ob0R8RBikU


Also, land (20 acres) around Reunion Tower is suppose to be redeveloped, since the new convention center is underway. Not too sure when that will happen.

Hunt Realty unveils $5 billion redevelopment plan for downtown Dallas’ Reunion project
Workforce housing, hotels, offices and retail are being planned for the area next to new convention center.

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Reunion owner Hunt Realty Investments has just revamped plans for the more than 20-acre property as Dallas prepares an almost $3 billion replacement of its aging convention center.

The longtime owner of one of downtown’s largest undeveloped properties is planning for as many as 3,000 apartments, a 600- to 1,000-room hotel, 150,000 square feet of retail space and up to 2 million square feet of offices surrounding a 3- to 4-acre park.

“That’s probably $5 billion of development,” said Hunt Realty Investments president Colin Fitzgibbons. “It will be home to 5,000 residents, which is a third of the current downtown population — a significant add.
Now, there’s contention between the Hunt Family (powerful and wealthy family in Dallas and owner of the Kansas City Chiefs) and the regional transportation planner over the alignment for the planned high speed rail to Fort Worth. They say the alignment will thwart plans for their development. So, of course the city is going to bend over backwards to make sure they’re accommodated. The Hunts are even claiming that Reunion Tower will be demolished to make way for high speed rail…lmao…just lying to get their way. The news media here are even running stories saying the same thing.


https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=...&v=0oTZSCSGUW0

Also, $80 million was awarded in Dallas to complete the expansion of Klyde Warren Park, complete the new Southern Gateway Deck Park in Oak Cliff, and the new deck over I-30 by the Convention Center.
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Old 03-21-2024, 08:45 AM
 
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There really isn't an incorporated suburb in Atlanta that doesn't have some kind of downtown initiative going on. Even unincorporated areas like North Druid Hills (Lulah Hills) are getting in the swing of things.

https://www.bing.com/alink/link?url=...59132661626986
Yep. It's next to impossible to keep up with everything really.
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Old 03-21-2024, 08:56 AM
 
Location: Houston
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The new mayor of Houston is an idiot and will definitely hinder Houston’s ability to create a pedestrian friendly environment.
You and @Redlionjr crack me up. You're more afraid of what he might do than anything he's already done! He reversed literally one block of medians put in a road due to public safety concerns (fire and police complained about impeded access) which I'm sure doesn't affect either of your lives one iota. Nobody even walks on that street to begin with! Apart from that he hasn't done anything yet...but keep swallowing all the reddit garbage...it's obvious that's what you consume.
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Old 03-21-2024, 09:16 AM
 
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Yep. It's next to impossible to keep up with everything really.
I was recently invited to meet up with friends in Cumberland for some drinks during my last visit there.
Up until then, I never even knew that this place (The Battery) existed:

https://www.google.com/maps/@33.8888...8192?entry=ttu

I guess maybe if I were a huge baseball fan I MIGHT have been familiar with it?

This pretty much sums up most of my visits to Atlanta. There is always some new random place like this that I find out about.
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Old 03-21-2024, 09:32 AM
 
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There really isn't an incorporated suburb in Atlanta that doesn't have some kind of downtown initiative going on. Even unincorporated areas like North Druid Hills (Lulah Hills) are getting in the swing of things.

https://www.bing.com/alink/link?url=...59132661626986
Yeah, Gwinnett County has many of these downtowns besides
Duluth and
Suwanee.

There's Sugar Hill:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiUJi3-OE-A

Norcross:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3WuMWpKwyw

Lawrenceville:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7olTWKOjQE

Snellville:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpgG9rLbEZ8

Old Buford Downtown (a new one is being built similar to Suwanee):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQ5YPpNPyjw

Right next to Gwinnett, Johns Creek is building a brand new downtown.

Besides the existing downtown area in Sandy Springs, an Avalon-type development called "High Street" is set to open soon. Unlike Avalon in Alpharetta, this will have access to a Marta station across the street.

Bonus video of some of my favorite downtowns outside of Gwinnett:

Roswell (just south of Alpharetta):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9Td6iUhru0

Marietta:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWqZvODroFY

Alpharetta:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBFUQ8ewlfc
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Old 03-21-2024, 10:33 AM
 
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There really isn't an incorporated suburb in Atlanta that doesn't have some kind of downtown initiative going on. Even unincorporated areas like North Druid Hills (Lulah Hills) are getting in the swing of things.

https://www.bing.com/alink/link?url=...59132661626986
That's North DeKalb Mall!

Awesome: https://edens.com/property/lulah-hills/#siteplan


Are the light brown blocks on the site plan the part of the mall that are remaining - and thus incorporated into Lulah Hills?
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