Atlanta vs Houston vs Dallas, Which City will be more urban at the end of the decade? (cost, state)
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Somewhat, but you need to picture certain areas with similar homes on multiple acres in a forest. Some neighborhoods are next to steep ravines, adjacent to National Wilderness corridors along the Chattahoochee. A few are up to 15 to 20 acres, but this is the exception. You have to see it in person to comprehend how unique it is, especially considering its location.
I don't think it's the same. Do people keep horses in those neighborhoods? You would swear you were in the mountains in certain sections. We're talking driveways with bridges over streams with little waterfalls and boulders, in the middle of old growth forests. If someone plopped you down blindfolded in these spots, you would have zero clue you were in the middle of a big city.
Your right, I was originally gonna mention Buckhead in my post as a prime example why but tbh it isn't just Buckhead. I don't know if the inner loop was overlayed over Atlanta, that Atlanta would have a single neighborhood denser than Houston outside of the obvious immediate Downtown+Midtown+plus one or two surrounding neighborhoods. Eastern portion of the inner loop is pretty low density still but it's not just Buckhead especially when talking about the ITP.
Vinings+Buckhead+Southern Sandy Springs+Brookhaven+Chamblee definitely play a major role. But it's also literally- College Park+East Point+Hapeville and all of DeKalb save for maybe the area around Edgewood in Atlanta , Not to mention western Atlanta itself is very open, like I said ATL might win the 1 mile and 2 mile radius, grow any bigger and it's a landslide in the other direction. The only area besides immediate downtown that would be more populous in the opposite comparison might be NE Houston. The far NE (Mount Houston area and points SE) is probably less dense than the Doraville area.
For example in ATL using radius tool
14.00 miles covers the Beltway of Houston and a few areas to the west of it, not really the core but not the exurbs/outer suburbs either.
1.70 million
9.00 miles covers most of the ITP and a bit outside of it as well-
810,000 people (moved North as the core is more northern focus than southern focused (i.e get less people if you center it further south(got like 740,000 for exactly DTA).
6.00 miles- 420,000
3.00- 140,000
2.00- 85,000
1.00- 47,000 barely covers DT ATL or Midtown so just focused it on DT.
Houston-
14.00 miles- 2.37 million
9.00 miles covers inner loop and western portion of beltway area doesn't reach the beltway, moved West.
1.2 million
6.00 miles inner loop Houston, plus Uptown and a few areas just a bit to the West of the Inner Loop, doesn't cover the far eastern reaches of ITL.
620,000
3.00- 160,000 with no Buckhead, Houston's gonna be in the lead pretty early on.
2.00- 82,000 Houston's density starts to show
1.00- 43,000 because DT Houston is so small covers a substantial part of Northern Midtown and Eado as well as Fourth Ward, so who knows.
Dallas
14- 2.19 million
9- 1,030,000
6- 506,000
3- 160,000
2- 44,000- Central Dallas has a river and lots of Parkland so this cuts a lot into population data compared to other cities.
1- 22,000- Because of Dallas's unique shape doesn't get as many neighborhoods immediately outside of the city
This basically proves what I expected, except gave Houston a boost DT because of it's small boundaries and hurts Dallas because of parkland.
Your right, I was originally gonna mention Buckhead in my post as a prime example why but tbh it isn't just Buckhead. I don't know if the inner loop was overlayed over Atlanta, that Atlanta would have a single neighborhood denser than Houston outside of the obvious immediate Downtown+Midtown+plus one or two surrounding neighborhoods. Eastern portion of the inner loop is pretty low density still but it's not just Buckhead especially when talking about the ITP.
Vinings+Buckhead+Southern Sandy Springs+Brookhaven+Chamblee definitely play a major role. But it's also literally- College Park+East Point+Hapeville and all of DeKalb save for maybe the area around Edgewood in Atlanta , Not to mention western Atlanta itself is very open, like I said ATL might win the 1 mile and 2 mile radius, grow any bigger and it's a landslide in the other direction. The only area besides immediate downtown that would be more populous in the opposite comparison might be NE Houston. The far NE (Mount Houston area and points SE) is probably less dense than the Doraville area.
For example in ATL using radius tool
14.00 miles covers the Beltway of Houston and a few areas to the west of it, not really the core but not the exurbs/outer suburbs either.
1.70 million
9.00 miles covers most of the ITP and a bit outside of it as well-
810,000 people (moved North as the core is more northern focus than southern focused (i.e get less people if you center it further south(got like 740,000 for exactly DTA).
6.00 miles- 420,000
3.00- 140,000
2.00- 85,000
1.00- 47,000 barely covers DT ATL or Midtown so just focused it on DT.
Houston-
14.00 miles- 2.37 million
9.00 miles covers inner loop and western portion of beltway area doesn't reach the beltway, moved West.
1.2 million
6.00 miles inner loop Houston, plus Uptown and a few areas just a bit to the West of the Inner Loop, doesn't cover the far eastern reaches of ITL.
620,000
3.00- 160,000 with no Buckhead, Houston's gonna be in the lead pretty early on.
2.00- 82,000 Houston's density starts to show
1.00- 43,000 because DT Houston is so small covers a substantial part of Northern Midtown and Eado as well as Fourth Ward, so who knows.
Dallas
14- 2.19 million
9- 1,030,000
6- 506,000
3- 160,000
2- 44,000- Central Dallas has a river and lots of Parkland so this cuts a lot into population data compared to other cities.
1- 22,000- Because of Dallas's unique shape doesn't get as many neighborhoods immediately outside of the city
This basically proves what I expected, except gave Houston a boost DT because of it's small boundaries and hurts Dallas because of parkland.
Yep, Atlanta is definitely structurally different. Think of all of the late 50's to early 70's brick ranches on large lots in all the inner ring ITP mature suburbs. It's a totally different setup from Dallas and Houston, but especially Houston.
Until fairly recently, our lots are BIG here compared to Texas. This still somewhat holds true the further out you go in most of the burbs here.
One of the things that helped Atlanta’s urbanity in a way is that they didn’t close in their downtown with freeways like the Texas cities did. Why the Texas cities did this, I haven’t a clue why but it was a mistake that they want corrected. Downtown Houston and Downtown Dallas are not only choked away from the city, but from the neighborhoods adjacent to them. Dallas got a head start by capping Woodall Rodgers freeway. Houston is wanting to do an Atlanta style connector and demolishing or turning the pierce freeway into a park. Dallas also wants to demolish I345 I believe.
One of the things that helped Atlanta’s urbanity in a way is that they didn’t close in their downtown with freeways like the Texas cities did. Why the Texas cities did this, I haven’t a clue why but it was a mistake that they want corrected. Downtown Houston and Downtown Dallas are not only choked away from the city, but from the neighborhoods adjacent to them. Dallas got a head start by capping Woodall Rodgers freeway. Houston is wanting to do an Atlanta style connector and demolishing or turning the pierce freeway into a park. Dallas also wants to demolish I345 I believe.
Great point. That has probably been the most damaging thing that has happened to Downtown. It’s one of the main reasons Downtown Dallas started to decline. I glad that we are now trying to address it. The removal of 345 would do amazing things for Downtown.
Somewhat, but you need to picture certain areas with similar homes on multiple acres in a forest. Some neighborhoods are next to steep ravines, adjacent to National Wilderness corridors along the Chattahoochee. A few are up to 15 to 20 acres, but this is the exception. You have to see it in person to comprehend how unique it is, especially considering its location.
Buckhead is truly a unique place for this reason. I remember many years ago I was with a friend who lives in the area returning from hanging out til 3 am. Driving through those hills and sharp turns among the trees in the pitch dark we encountered a small family of Coyotes crossing the street!
Whitin 5 min you are back in a bustling corridor of high rise office buildings, bars,retail ,and restaurants!
Its like night and day.Most people never get to see the residential part of Buckhead as if you arent driving,its harder to get to unlike the commercial district where you can ride the subway up using MARTA
My friends parents are super wealthy and they live in a house that was built in the 1930s and it was used for filming in one of Tyler Perrys shows
The house was built in 1934 for the son of Coca-Cola Company president Samuel Candler Dobbs and was originally called Marcan Hall according to the Atlanta History Center.
The house is over 15,000 sq feet and thats not including the carriage and guest house https://www.atlantamagazine.com/home...odendron-hall/
Last edited by CleverOne; 01-23-2020 at 08:08 AM..
Once Dallas gets more people in the Deep Ellum and CBD, its density should increase quite a bit. There's so much available land (largest in the nation) and so much can be done to improve our urban core.
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