Atlanta vs Houston vs Dallas, Which City will be more urban at the end of the decade? (state, largest)
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This is a recent marketing effort to make Downtown Dallas appeal to a variety of people and companies relocating into the center city. Since there are multiple neighborhoods, it gives the perception that there's something for everyone, thus increase their population. Every city, including Atlanta, does this in an effort to grow that respective area.
The traditional method that has been used to calculate the Dallas CBD is within the loop. It's been like that for decades.
So why is it now you can admit every city does it but echo that in the case of Atlanta its different when clearly its not.That quote about Dallas was almost word for word EXACTLY what Atlanta has done ......for DECADES!
As I already stated the number of people are less important than how those people are able to get to point A and Point B.I brought up population because the population supported the difference in why there was more activity downtown than Dallas. Had nothing to do with a pissing contest of which one is bigger per se.
Downtown Savannah is 20,000 but obviously is more urban than Atlanta with less people downtown in its core.
Its a ridiculous argument that it matters any more in the context as I said in that its not a large population but its shows better on the streets in urbanity or pedestrian activity
So why is it now you can admit every city does it but echo that in the case of Atlanta its different when clearly its not.That quote about Dallas was almost word for word EXACTLY what Atlanta has done ......for DECADES!
As I already stated the number of people are less important than how those people are able to get to point A and Point B.I brought up population because the population supported the difference in why there was more activity downtown than Dallas. Had nothing to do with a pissing contest of which one is bigger per se.
Downtown Savannah is 20,000 but obviously is more urban than Atlanta with less people downtown in its core.
Its a ridiculous argument that it matters any more in the context as I said in that its not a large population but its shows better on the streets in urbanity or pedestrian activity
I never said that there's an equivalency issue between Dallas & Atlanta regarding population. I'm more in line with your ideology (the traditional downtown area should be assessed as a whole instead of being separate). That whole area in or adjacent to Central Atlanta that's zoned for high-density, commercial development, should be included in the holistic picture.
But from a statistical standpoint to see how neighborhoods perform, separating the urban areas makes sense. Deep Ellum and Uptown are integrated with the CBD in every possible way but are separated on paper because investors can leverage a better case to growing neighborhoods into their own identities. Downtown and Midtown Atlanta operates the same way to help drive development in each respective area.
You have cities that have a traditionally dense layout that isn't considered in the downtown business district. Another example would be Midtown Manhattan and Harlem. Both areas are urban but are considered two different neighborhoods for a variety of reasons. Midtown is the center of business, entertainment, media, arts, etc. Harlem is not far away, but it's the historic center for Black and Latino culture in NYC.
Couldve shouldce wouldve. You dont think Atlanta or Houston have those also?
Its not just about the population. Yall keep coming up with new arguments to fit what workd for Dalllas. The whole population came up because it was said over and over how urban Atlanta was with more downtown traffic.Population was a factor but here you are claiming that Dallas having more population someohow would make it more urban based on boundaries Atlanta has if it included the other side of the freeway. This is simply false because Dallas would still have less street activity as it doesnt have a GSU(50,000+ students of which more than 35,000 are downtown),a huge convention center that has WAYYY more conventions than Dallas or Houston.
What I found researching Downtown Dallas as something didnt sound right.I found this:
Ill wait for someone to explain this since "atlanta is counting more areas"
I'll explain it...To dumb it down for you.
To put it simple ..Dallas does both...It includes surrounding areas closet to Downtown to promote the entire area as one cohesive area. But when it comes to raw population it only counts people that reside in the traditional CBD loop. I-30 to the south. I-35E to the west Woodall Rodgers to the north an spurr 366. To the east. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Downtown_Dallas
couldve shouldce wouldve. You dont think atlanta or houston have those also?
Its not just about the population. Yall keep coming up with new arguments to fit what workd for dalllas. The whole population came up because it was said over and over how urban atlanta was with more downtown traffic.population was a factor but here you are claiming that dallas having more population someohow would make it more urban based on boundaries atlanta has if it included the other side of the freeway. This is simply false because dallas would still have less street activity as it doesnt have a gsu(50,000+ students of which more than 35,000 are downtown),a huge convention center that has wayyy more conventions than dallas or houston.
What i found researching downtown dallas as something didnt sound right.i found this:
Ill wait for someone to explain this since "atlanta is counting more areas"
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Originally Posted by cleverone
so why is it now you can admit every city does it but echo that in the case of atlanta its different when clearly its not.that quote about dallas was almost word for word exactly what atlanta has done ......for decades!
As i already stated the number of people are less important than how those people are able to get to point a and point b.i brought up population because the population supported the difference in why there was more activity downtown than dallas. Had nothing to do with a pissing contest of which one is bigger per se.
Downtown savannah is 20,000 but obviously is more urban than atlanta with less people downtown in its core.
Its a ridiculous argument that it matters any more in the context as i said in that its not a large population but its shows better on the streets in urbanity or pedestrian activity
Both cities are practically neck and neck. I don't know of two other cities that are similar in economic structure, size (somewhat), diversity, and having large airports integrated more than Dallas and Atlanta.
Both cities are practically neck and neck. I don't know of two other cities that are similar in economic structure, size (somewhat), diversity, and having large airports integrated more than Dallas and Atlanta.
What was incorrect about my statement?
Atlanta has way more tourist than Dallas. These are for both metros but downtown is definately ground zero for both cities when it comes to conventions
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More than 27 million people visit Dallas every year, spending $5.2 billion and generating a total economic impact of $8.8 billion. These travelers support our hotels, our attractions and our restaurants, and they support jobs. In total, tourism supports more than 65,000 jobs and offsets the tax burden for Dallas households.
Dallas gets a lot of bookings but no near in size.The Georgia World Congress Center is among the worlds largest,It has almost a half hundred million more in exhibit square feet.
When i say conventions,the GWCC is not the only one in the metro ranked in the top 50 in the US. Including the Americas Mart which is a huge draw for vendors around the world,There is nothing in Dallas or Houston that comes close to that
Listed here are the top convention centers in US. Atlanta has THREE in the top 50. Dallas has ONE. https://www.tradeshowexecutive.com/p...rs_2013-09.pdf
To put it simple ..Dallas does both...It includes surrounding areas closet to Downtown to promote the entire area as one cohesive area. But when it comes to raw population it only counts people that reside in the traditional CBD loop. I-30 to the south. I-35E to the west Woodall Rodgers to the north an spurr 366. To the east. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Downtown_Dallas
Yet again you proved my point but I guess you too busy being condescending to notice.
What was incorrect about my statement?
Atlanta has way more tourist than Dallas. These are for both metros but downtown is definately ground zero for both cities when it comes to conventions
Dallas gets a lot of bookings but no near in size.The Georgia World Congress Center is among the worlds largest,It has almost a half hundred million more in exhibit square feet.
When i say conventions,the GWCC is not the only one in the metro ranked in the top 50 in the US. Including the Americas Mart which is a huge draw for vendors around the world,There is nothing in Dallas or Houston that comes close to that
Listed here are the top convention centers in US. Atlanta has THREE in the top 50. Dallas has ONE. https://www.tradeshowexecutive.com/p...rs_2013-09.pdf
Hmm... that's pretty cool! Considering the amount of cultural, media, and academic institutions Atlanta has, it probably fuels large conventions and events throughout the area.
Where's the foot traffic at? Literally little to no vibrancy at street level.
It really depends. I think Uptown is transitioning now more into an actual neighborhood. Then it was more like an entertainment district. A few years ago, it was the place a lot of people went to on the weekends. I believe a lot of the bars/restaurants and clubs (that mostly catered to the party crowd) have closed.
It seems like the party crowd has moved to Deep Ellum.
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