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It's interesting that Houston has the largest skyline out of the three by far, and will maintain that dominance, but is actually the least urban of the three city propers.
It's also interesting that the most urban of the three city propers, Atlanta, actually has the sprawliest suburbs of the three (and actually the most sprawly neighbirhoods in the world).
In what way is to the least urban?
It had the densest core of the 3.
The inner 90 SQ miles has the same population add the entire city of Atlanta
The core of Dallas is the weakest off the 3 imo
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Originally Posted by NashvilleIsLife
Houston has the largest skyline but not the largest downtown area right? Driving through all of them Houston's downtown looks the least impressive to me but I see towers spread out all the through the city.
Houston had the largest downtown of the 3 and by far the largest daytime downtown population.
In what way is to the least urban?
It had the densest core of the 3.
The inner 90 SQ miles has the same population add the entire city of Atlanta
The core of Dallas is the weakest off the 3 imo
Houston had the largest downtown of the 3 and by far the largest daytime downtown population.
He's right Houston is the least urban when it comes to the city PROPER. It has the least amount of walkable neighborhoods. It's more car dependent in it's core than Atlanta and Dallas.
And maybe Downtown Houston has the largest daytime population but Atlanta has the biggest population out of all 3 followed by Dallas.
How is Houston more car dependent than Dallas when it had the higher ridership. Are you just going but miles of rail.
Ridership speaks more to dependence than miles.
And are you using walkscore to determine walkable neighborhoods?
That's not the most reliable.
I still don't get the Dallas more walkable than Houston. I have been to both recently. Atlanta is clearly the more walkable of the 3 but Dallas isn't any more walkable than Houston. It is less dense and had less dense tracks and more people actually use PT in Houston.
I actually took PT to get around both and I found Houston system to be more efficient. It seemed dirtier too (even with the reduced covid ridership) which is a sign that it is used more.
I just googled both downtown populations and both were a paltry 10k (that's without the jail population). I don't think that's anything to shout about
How is Houston more car dependent than Dallas when it had the higher ridership. Are you just going but miles of rail.
Ridership speaks more to dependence than miles.
And are you using walkscore to determine walkable neighborhoods?
That's not the most reliable.
I still don't get the Dallas more walkable than Houston. I have been to both recently. Atlanta is clearly the more walkable of the 3 but Dallas isn't any more walkable than Houston. It is less dense and had less dense tracks and more people actually use PT in Houston.
I actually took PT to get around both and I found Houston system to be more efficient. It seemed dirtier too (even with the reduced covid ridership) which is a sign that it is used more.
I just googled both downtown populations and both were a paltry 10k (that's without the jail population). I don't think that's anything to shout about
Dallas has more areas that are urban in design that you don't see as much in Houston. Midtown Houston is evolving into a more appealing urban neighborhood though. DT Houston does seem to be the largest of the 3.
Atlanta's Midtown is further along in walkability than anywhere in Houston and is pretty similar in design to Uptown and Victory Park in Dallas. There are some other walkable neighborhoods around Atlanta: DT Decatur, Little 5, Inman Park, etc.. There's not really anything like that in Houston. Dallas has similar neighborhoods to those Atlanta ones mentioned which is why many people say that Atlanta and Dallas are pretty similar cities.
In what way is to the least urban?
It had the densest core of the 3.
The inner 90 SQ miles has the same population add the entire city of Atlanta
The core of Dallas is the weakest off the 3 imo
Houston had the largest downtown of the 3 and by far the largest daytime downtown population.
Does those numbers include the Medical Center in Houston which isn't in Downtown but very close to it?
How is Houston more car dependent than Dallas when it had the higher ridership. Are you just going but miles of rail.
Ridership speaks more to dependence than miles.
And are you using walkscore to determine walkable neighborhoods?
That's not the most reliable.
I still don't get the Dallas more walkable than Houston. I have been to both recently. Atlanta is clearly the more walkable of the 3 but Dallas isn't any more walkable than Houston. It is less dense and had less dense tracks and more people actually use PT in Houston.
I actually took PT to get around both and I found Houston system to be more efficient. It seemed dirtier too (even with the reduced covid ridership) which is a sign that it is used more.
I just googled both downtown populations and both were a paltry 10k (that's without the jail population). I don't think that's anything to shout about
We're talking core here buddy. While it's true more people in Houston use the BUS than in Dallas walking from neighborhood to neighborhood in dense walkable areas its still not as concentrated in Houston as it is in Dallas.
Dallas has Uptown/Downtown/Deep Ellum/ Oaklawn/Design District/ Knox Henderson/Lower Greenville in close proximity to each other.
Houston has Downtown/Midtown/Museum District and East Downtown surrounding it's core. Everything else is kind of pockets of pedestrian "friendly" areas. Where you would have to get in your car or BUS to get to point A to B. That's partially because Dallas has done a better job of building more pedestrian friendly neighborhoods in it's CORE moreso than Houston. And the fact that these neighborhoods have better infrastructure and connectivity to me is the reason I'd pick Dallas core over Houston's core as being more urban.
Granted their not far apart from each other. I just think it's more noticeable than you. Now I think if we're talking about the city overall than Houston is more urban than Dallas. Houston's core is improving though. slowly but surely.
Please provide stats for this claim regarding daytime population, I'm not buying it.
Just from looking visibly the downtown Houston skyline does not look bigger than Downtown/Midtown Atlanta to me which is basically all connected. I could be wrong but I'm just going by how they look from the highway. Maybe downtown Houston has more skyscrapers than Midtown/Downtown Atlanta?
Please provide stats for this claim regarding daytime population, I'm not buying it.
Sure. The data may be old but all 3 have been growing their core populations.
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Originally Posted by waronxmas
The Census Bureau has finally released revised daytime population estimates based on the 2010 Census.
Here are the top 10 cities based on the number of people who commute in from the respective city's suburbs to the central city CBD(s) each day for work:
1. New York City - +608,954 suburban in bound commuters
2. Houston - +577,301 suburban in bound commuters
3. Washington, DC - +461,636 suburban in bound commuters
4. Atlanta - +273,789 suburban in bound commuters
5. Dallas - +243,613 suburban in bound commuters
6. Boston - +241,700 suburban in bound commuters
7. Miami - +213,576 suburban in bound commuters
8. Chicago - +177,457 suburban in bound commuters
9. Orlando - +173,009 suburban in bound commuters
10. Los Angeles - +170,093 suburban in bound commuters
As you can imagine, the top 11 major cities for daytime population growth by percent due to commuting favors the cities (for the most part) with small borders.
1. Washington DC +79%
2. Atlanta +66%
3. Miami +54%
4. Boston +40%
5. Houston +47%
6. Dallas +20%
7. San Francisco +20%
8. New York City +7.5% (Not just Manhattan, all five boroughs)
9. Philadelphia +7%
10. Chicago +6%
11. Los Angeles +4%
The census bureau provided this formula for determining daytime population:
Total resident population + Total workers working in area - Total workers living in area.
City Daytime Population, 2017:
9,357,951 New York, NY
4,169,529 Los Angeles, CA 3,018,200 Houston, TX
2,920,652 Chicago, IL
1,748,650 Phoenix, AZ
1,690,048 Philadelphia, PA
1,634,176 San Antonio, TX
1,612,856 San Diego, CA 1,568,654 Dallas, TX
1,162,937 Washington, DC
1,152,296 Austin, TX
1,125,330 San Francisco, CA
1,025,253 Charlotte, NC
1,000,876 Indianapolis, IN
985,692 Boston, MA
974,659Jacksonville, FL
955,106 Columbus, OH
932,078 Ft Worth, TX
925,272 San Jose, CA
914,920 Seattle, WA
866,071 Denver, CO
786,218 Nashville, TN
783,699 Portland, OR 779,661 Atlanta, GA
773,051 Oklahoma City
771,580 Memphis, TN
740,398 Miami, FL
718,597 Baltimore, MD
712,345 Las Vegas, NV
Here are the numbers for these cities:
Total workers in city/city/total employed residents in city
4,808,014 New York, NY 4,072,761
+735,263(number of workers who commute into city limits)
2,162,404 Los Angeles, CA 1,992,316
+169,778
1,851,938 Houston, TX 1,083,455
+768,483
1,533,399 Chicago, IL 1,329,197
+204,202
935,759 San Diego, CA 740,422
+193,337
902,901 Phoenix, AZ 780,329
+122,572
897,287 Dallas, TX 669,708
+227,579
844,345 Washington, DC 375,380
+468,965
826,350 San Antonio, TX 704,120
+122,230
765,060 Philadelphia, PA 655,875
+109,185
764,331 San Francisco, CA 523,364
+240,967
741,685 Austin, TX 540,104
+201,581
671,818 Boston, MA 371,220
+300,598
621,037 Charlotte, NC 454,819
+166,218
616,952 Seattle, WA 426,777
+190,175
556,785 Denver, CO 395,335
+161,450
547,845 Indianapolis, IN 409,971
+137,874
543,664 Atlanta, GA 250,293
+293,371
529,865 Columbus, OH 453,929
+75,936
515,878 Jacksonville, FL 433,281
+82,597
498,298 Miami, FL 221,237
+277,061
493,152 Portland, OR 357,258
+135,894
481,725 Nashville, TN 363,069
+118,656
481,025 Ft Worth, TX 423,115
+57,910
418,978 San Jose, CA 529,023
−110,045
414,512 Oklahoma City, OK 306,596
+129,403
404,453 Memphis, TN 285,109
+119,344
384,529 Baltimore, MD 277,580
+106,949
371,989 Las Vegas, NV 301,320
+70,669
So I know people are going to say the city limits are bigger so here are the cities by daytime density
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Originally Posted by MDAllstar
Daytime Density Numbers
Cities with a daytime population over 1,000,000 people:
Over 15,000 People Per Square Mile
New York = 302.643 sq mi = 30,920.76 people per sq. mile
San Fran = 46.89 sq mi = 23,999.36 people per sq. mile
DC = 61.05 sq mi = 19,048.93 people per sq. mile
Over 10,000 People Per Square Mile
Chicago = 227.34 sq mi = 12,847.07 people per sq. mile
Philadelphia = 134.28 sq mi = 12,586 people per sq. mile
Over 5,000 People Per Square Mile
Los Angeles = 468.74 sq mi = 8,895.18 people per sq. mile
Houston = 599.59 sq mi = 5,033.77 people per sq. mile
Under 5,000 People Per Square Mile
San Diego = 325.19 sq mi = 4,959.73 people per sq. mile
Dallas = 340.5 sq mi = 4,606.91 people per sq. mile
Austin = 297.9 sq mi = 3,868.06 people per sq. mile
San Antonio = 460.93 sq. mi = 3,545.39 people per sq. mile
Phoenix = 517.64 sq mi = 3,378.12 people per sq. mile
Charlotte = 305.40 sq. mi = 3,357.08 people per sq. mile
Indianapolis = 361.51 sq mi = 2,768.60 people per sq. mile
Atlanta does great for it's size, but between Dallas and Houston, Dallas is made out to be much better than it really is while Houston is made out to be worse when Houston is doing a better job than Dallas.
Houston only has 2 strong burbs while Dallas has loads. And the 2 Houston burbs are no t nearly as strong as DFW began burbs - Plano, Irving, etc.
Dallas to me is a tad less urban than Houston, it baffles me when people say it's more.
Houston has 3 major employment centers in it's core with over 100,000 jobs(Downtown, Uptown, Medical Center) and on top of that it has quite a few smaller ones in the core too like Greenway Plaza, Upper Kirby, Montrose, River Oaks all in the core.
Red you left out a ton of neighbor hoods.
I'm not familiar with the names, you live there so you tell me but the entire west side of downtown was left out. I think they can that area north of Montrose 4th ward, Washington Street area has changed a lot and the Heights is getting even better. You are selling Houston short. What have your experience been taking public transportation in Dallas? Not just from the airport but actually getting around? The rail to me is more enjoyable than the one in Houston, but overall I found Houston's to have much wider coverage for everyday things
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Originally Posted by ampalive
Does those numbers include the Medical Center in Houston which isn't in Downtown but very close to it?
No it doesn't.
Those districts are too distinct
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Originally Posted by NashvilleIsLife
Just from looking visibly the downtown Houston skyline does not look bigger than Downtown/Midtown Atlanta to me which is basically all connected. I could be wrong but I'm just going by how they look from the highway. Maybe downtown Houston has more skyscrapers than Midtown/Downtown Atlanta?
Going by the highway is actually a negative for Atlanta. Where it beats Houston is out on the streets.
Atlanta its more filled in with smaller buildings that give it a more dense feel.
By skyscrapers Houston and Miami are like top 4 in the US while ATL is about 9 in terms of number of tall skyscrapers. Atlanta wins the argument for more urban based on the smaller infill buildings.
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That post was so disrespectful to Dallas. You know darn well you haven’t spent any time in Central Dallas. Who you trying to fool?
[quote=dallasboi;57057363]....to be honest Houston is really last.]
Yet, you said nothing about this...
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....to be honest Houston is really last.]