Atlanta vs Houston vs Dallas, Which City will be more urban at the end of the decade? (live, state)
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Touche, Mutiny! This has always been his MO in regard to all aspects of Atlanta. I could drill into more detail, but I'm not in the mood to be suspended...
I apologize. I was wrong.
DL culture is not an issue in Atlanta.
You only need to dive by Bulldogs on any given weekend ,especially in the Summer and see thousands of black gays outside.
Go to Lenox Mall and before you even get in the door you will see gay men.
DL culture whether true or not has NOTHING to do with the fact that black gays as other gays are extremely visible in Atlanta
Its not even one gay area but all over the metro. Some more than others,
Dont you think that a gay population that is represented deep all over the metro is more important than A gayborhood?
Atlanta has that plus large gay populations all over the metro.
Quote:
Gallup: Percentage wise, metro Atlanta has a larger LGBT population than New York
Take Decatur which has one of the highest concentration of lesbians in the country. There is even a nick name for Decatur because of it.
You thought bringing up DL would deminish Atlanta gay population but you actually just again made the ovious clear.
DL doesnt mean you dont see gay men,they just arent open to thier families but that has nothing to do with the politics.
Dallas
Downtown______________90____________6,074
Oak Lawn______________86____________23,734
Henderson_____________ 83____________3,504
Roseland_______________81____________2,507 https://www.walkscore.com/TX/Dallas
Atlanta
Atlanta has a total combined population (if I added up correctly) of 46,326 in areas with an 80 or above walkscore. https://www.walkscore.com/GA/Atlanta
Just eight months later and this has changed a bit--Dallas now has nearly as many people in walkscores of 80 or higher as Atlanta though Atlanta has more people and neighborhoods in the high 70s that a couple of major mixed-use developments placed in the right area would probably widen that gap.
Downtown 91 | 6,074
Oak Lawn 86 | 23,734
Henderson 85 | 3,504
North Oaklawn 85 | 3,298
Roseland 82 | 2,507
Glencoe Park 80 |1,563
To me, it looks like Atlanta is generally working with smaller neighborhood definitions than the others overall. I looked at Fort Worth, but nothing over 80 though one is close. Are there other municipalities within each respective MSA that is at / has neighborhoods at 80 or higher?
As for developments, does anyone know what's going on with the proposed new Amtrak station for Atlanta? Also, are there any MARTA expansions on the books at all? DFW seems to have a lot of ongoing expansions though none that are rapid transit.
Last edited by OyCrumbler; 09-22-2020 at 11:35 AM..
ATL should stick out more as a gay destination, it’s a regional hub. Dallas is a big gay travel destination though. And I know DL culture is everywhere. I had to point it out because people are acting like Atlanta is some big open and accepting city for all compared to Dallas and that’s not the case. My point overall and not trying to be thinly veiled anything is Atlanta and Dallas are pretty much on the same level when it comes to being socially liberal. You’re not going to notice a difference between the two in that regard. Voting Democrat or Republican doesn’t indicate how someone’s views are socially. At any rate, it’s a dead point at this point. I’ll move on.
You should move on because you obviously were so wrong but to cement my point:
So I guess the black gays in Dallas are less DL than Atlanta?Or in New Youk ,DC,or anyhwere else for that matter?
Again DL culture has absolutely no bearing whats soever on politics or how gay friendly as city is.
Another ranking puts Atlanta at number two(Again,No Dallas)
The 10 Gayest Cities In America For 2020
San Francisco, CA (Photos)
Atlanta, GA (Photos)
St. Petersburg, FL (Photos)
Orlando, FL (Photos)
Seattle, WA (Photos)
Denver, CO (Photos)
Oakland, CA (Photos)
Minneapolis, MN (Photos)
Portland, OR (Photos)
Long Beach, CA (Photos)\ https://www.roadsnacks.net/gayest-cities-in-america/
Here is another ranking. Atlanta number 7 and Austin but no Dallas
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It would appear Atlanta is more of a gay travel destination and Dallas is the regional hub just going by the massive difference in Pride attendance alone. Atlanta also has Black Gay Pride, which pulls people in from all over the country.
Not just the country but around the world . I met a friend from France 15 years ago in Atlanta who was here for Black Gay pride
That makes sense, but in regard to urban form, Dallas and DFW already has more walkable areas than Houston. Midtown in Atlanta is more further along in urban re-development than the secondary areas of Dallas or Houston to a degree which does give Atlanta the slight edge. Their earlier investment in widening sidewalks and such really helped. It will be interesting to see how Dallas and Houston build upon their city grids in the future. Houston just needs to connect the dots a bit better. They seem to be doing some good things there though.
Not just Midtown but Downtown Atlanta also has more walkable areas
You only need to dive by Bulldogs on any given weekend ,especially in the Summer and see thousands of black gays outside.
Go to Lenox Mall and before you even get in the door you will see gay men.
DL culture whether true or not has NOTHING to do with the fact that black gays as other gays are extremely visible in Atlanta
Its not even one gay area but all over the metro. Some more than others,
Dont you think that a gay population that is represented deep all over the metro is more important than A gayborhood?
Atlanta has that plus large gay populations all over the metro.
Take Decatur which has one of the highest concentration of lesbians in the country. There is even a nick name for Decatur because of it.
You thought bringing up DL would deminish Atlanta gay population but you actually just again made the ovious clear.
DL doesnt mean you dont see gay men,they just arent open to thier families but that has nothing to do with the politics.
Dallas and DFW has gays all over too. It’s a larger metro area with a larger and more diverse gay population. We have the population to sustain gay areas like WeHo, Boystown, etc..
My point about bringing up the large DL culture in Atlanta wasn’t to diminish the gay population in Atlanta, it was to point out that there is socially unacceptable layer where people aren’t comfortable telling others about their sexual orientation and most definitely is political.
I’m familiar with Decatur and it’s a charming area of Atlanta, but didn’t all of the lesbian bars close?
You should move on because you obviously were so wrong but to cement my point:
So I guess the black gays in Dallas are less DL than Atlanta?Or in New Youk ,DC,or anyhwere else for that matter?
Again DL culture has absolutely no bearing whats soever on politics or how gay friendly as city is.
Another ranking puts Atlanta at number two(Again,No Dallas)
The 10 Gayest Cities In America For 2020
San Francisco, CA (Photos)
Atlanta, GA (Photos)
St. Petersburg, FL (Photos)
Orlando, FL (Photos)
Seattle, WA (Photos)
Denver, CO (Photos)
Oakland, CA (Photos)
Minneapolis, MN (Photos)
Portland, OR (Photos)
Long Beach, CA (Photos)\ https://www.roadsnacks.net/gayest-cities-in-america/
Here is another ranking. Atlanta number 7 and Austin but no Dallas
I never said any other cities were more or less impacted by DL culture, but it is prominent in Atlanta and it most definitely was worth mentioning. Don’t act like it’s not a known issue.
You can pull lists all day, they are subjective and change all of the time. They tend to focus on cities with higher percentages of gay residents due to smaller city populations. Or I could be mistaken and need to move to St Petersburg ASAP!
Just eight months later and this has changed a bit--Dallas now has nearly as many people in walkscores of 80 or higher as Atlanta though Atlanta has more people and neighborhoods in the high 70s that a couple of major mixed-use developments placed in the right area would probably widen that gap.
Downtown 91 | 6,074
Oak Lawn 86 | 23,734
Henderson 85 | 3,504
North Oaklawn 85 | 3,298
Roseland 82 | 2,507
Glencoe Park 80 |1,563
To me, it looks like Atlanta is generally working with smaller neighborhood definitions than the others overall. I looked at Fort Worth, but nothing over 80 though one is close. Are there other municipalities within each respective MSA that is at / has neighborhoods at 80 or higher?
As for developments, does anyone know what's going on with the proposed new Amtrak station for Atlanta? Also, are there any MARTA expansions on the books at all? DFW seems to have a lot of ongoing expansions though none that are rapid transit.
Not sure if this was mentioned, but the Downtown (CBD) population is off by about 5k. Not only that, I would also consider other parts of Central Dallas more walkable than others.
However, I generally agree: it's Atlanta, Dallas, then Houston in that order for current and future walkable neighborhoods.
The problem here is that you're trying to depict Black people as some ultra-conservative, backwoods constituency in order to discredit Atlanta here when they are actually a huge reason why the city is as liberal as it is, but you seem to not be able to get that. You say you mentioned DL culture to prove that Atlanta isn't "some big open and accepting city for all" compared to Dallas, but that doesn't even logically follow since Atlanta has had one of the largest, most established Black LGBT populations in the country for decades now--and the city's first Black mayor, as well as subsequent Black mayors, have publicly embraced that population and actively courted their votes. Many within the city's civil rights establishment has also been vocal in their support over the years.
The fact of the matter is that it was entirely possible for you to make your point about Dallas being just as liberal as Atlanta without using Black folks as punching bags. Not only is it inaccurate, but it just looks tacky and desperate on your part.
To add to your points Martin Luther King Jrs closest friend Baynard Rushkin is the one who introduced in to Ghandi's teachings of nonvolence and the guy who actually was behind the March on Washington.
Corretta Scott King when se was alive had an openly ay white male as her right hand till the day she died.
She even spoke at a gay pride celebration in Atlanta
This is a wonderful and touching interview you can listen to.
Here is an in interesting interview of Winston Johnson.Her friend and assistant and how they met and their life long friendship. Can you imagine,a white gay male and a black woman become friends in the the late 1960s?Strange bedfellows in deed.
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