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Good post...there is speculation that Virgin has another motive for its higher speed rail—to give people another option to connect to its soon to be launched Virgin Voyages cruise line out of Miami. Curious to see your list of world class cities.
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Originally Posted by Trafalgar Law
Economy is evaluated through a select number of categories. There is size (number of people employed), value (GDP), health (unemployment rate), and per person productivity (per capita).
The Miami/Fort Lauderdale MSA and the Toronto CMA have comparable population bases. Around the same size, Miami MSA is 6.2 million people whereas Toronto CMA is likely around 6.3 million people in 2018. They employ around the same number of people in their labor force, have around the same size GDP ranging from $355 Billion to $380 Billion, have nearly equal per capita productivity (both fall between $55,000 to $59,000 USD), and Miami has a lower unemployment rate (5.9% in Toronto CMA versus 2.7% in Miami/Fort Lauderdale MSA).
Other than unemployment rate, the other categories are nearly mirror images of one another.
Brightline is not public transportation. It should never be compared to any city's public transportation system. Brightline, or as it is known now, Virgin Trains, is inter-city passenger service higher-speed rail, not public transportation. It is owned and operated by the private industry not by local, state/provincial, or federal government authorities.
It is higher-speed rail, which is just one peg lower than high-speed rail and two pegs lower than maglev, and the only other system like it in Canada and United States currently in operation is the Acela service in the Northeast Corridor (also higher-speed rail). Higher-speed rail service operates between 90 miles per hour to 140 miles per hour, this system will operate at 125 miles per hour from Southeast Florida to Greater Orlando once the Orlando extension is completed.
Toronto beats Miami in public transportation, both current and planned, but inter-city passenger rail is another matter entirely and until Toronto gets a system of its own, Miami/Fort Lauderdale will stay ahead in this arena. Virgin Trains is also moving forward with their expansion to Orlando and then eventually to the Tampa Bay Area. When completed, it will have connected the backbone to Florida's economy together and three of America's fastest growing metropolitan regions. Florida's economy is above $1 Trillion USD, worldwide there are only 14-16 countries in total with economies of comparable or larger size.
My own qualifications to "world class cities" is far more stringent than most other people. From my viewpoint, there are roughly about 6-10 world class cities in the world. Even 10 feels like it's too generous.
I feel like people disrespect the idea of "world class" by cheapening the concept. Not pointing any fingers at you but I'm just saying people in general.
I think of "world class cities" as the absolute best in the world. The highest rung that there is where flaws and vulnerabilities, if they exist, are masked well by an extensive list of strengths. Places where their importance and impact is absolute to the world at-large.
When you can pour your entire economy into a few cities and limit sprawl you get Toronto, it's not impressive when you realize the parameters. What NYC is doing is redefining a fully developed city with no room to spare and nearly keeping pace with Toronto, which is impressive in it's own right. I'm not egging Toronto at all but to many on here the polls parameters are perfectly tailored to Toronto winning, which is why I believe it doesn't belong in the poll.
It's not "nearly keeping pace." It is building more, taller and of higher quality than Toronto.
Just want to correct the record since everyone here is circle jerking over Toronto's 30 story condo buildings while pretending New York didn't build 17 supertalls since 2009.
So you want to make the poll American centric because Canada has fewer major cities? Who cares! it's still growing faster than any city outside Dallas (population-wise). Plus all cities in Canada are seeing massive growth, just that Toronto is on steroids. And again, it has been growing like this for what? four decades now? The Toronto growth is impressive, except on CD for some reason. It's not every day you have a city in North America growing the way Toronto is. High population rates, transit, culturally, millions upon millions of sq ft of office space, highrises, companies moving into the city, etc... I bet you if Toronto was an American city, everyone would be circle-jerking around it on here. And yes, the current boom going on right now is more impressive than NYC, considering that the city keeps losing people and is on the verge of bankruptcy. It's fine that another city has a more impressive boom than NYC, it doesn't diminish the importance of NYC.
It's amazing what you can accomplish with world-class household debt!
Everybody give a standing ovation to the Torontonians. A housing bubble fueled by massive household debt and a population ponzi scheme that depends on neverending Asian immigrants. Congratulations folks!
It's amazing what you can accomplish with world-class household debt!
Everybody give a standing ovation to the Torontonians. A housing bubble fueled by massive household debt and a population ponzi scheme that depends on neverending Asian immigrants. Congratulations folks!
Interesting. Honestly, Toronto boosters have soooo have so made Toronto not even appealing, at least, to me. Too much boosting and boasting, is the biggest turn-off.
Interesting. Honestly, Toronto boosters have soooo have so made Toronto not even appealing, at least, to me. Too much boosting and boasting, is the biggest turn-off.
Because deep inside, they know even though Toronto has grown into a rather impressive city, it still won't have the culture, history, and soul of cities like NYC, Chicago, and SF.
Pretty soon we'll be hearing about Canadian ghost cities if they keep building towers at their current pace, unless they feel like becoming an Asian majority country.
So you want to make the poll American centric because Canada has fewer major cities? Who cares! it's still growing faster than any city outside Dallas (population-wise). Plus all cities in Canada are seeing massive growth, just that Toronto is on steroids. And again, it has been growing like this for what? four decades now? The Toronto growth is impressive, except on CD for some reason. It's not every day you have a city in North America growing the way Toronto is. High population rates, transit, culturally, millions upon millions of sq ft of office space, highrises, companies moving into the city, etc... I bet you if Toronto was an American city, everyone would be circle-jerking around it on here. And yes, the current boom going on right now is more impressive than NYC, considering that the city keeps losing people and is on the verge of bankruptcy. It's fine that another city has a more impressive boom than NYC, it doesn't diminish the importance of NYC.
The things one "learns" on some of these threads. Is there anything in this post that resembles reality?
Is there something in the water in Toronto, or something? What is with all the wacky Toronto boosterism on C-D? Is it an inferiority complex or something?
Toronto's economy is barely bigger than that of Detroit or Seattle, and here they are claiming they even top NYC. Funny stuff! Toronto is a fine city, fast growing and gaining importance, but still pretty minor in the global realm, and little known outside of Canada. It's booming because Canada is the most pro-immigration first world country, and the other major city is French-speaking, so all the immigrants come to Toronto. But that's it. If it weren't for immigration Toronto would basically be a random, anonymous Great Lakes city. Toronto doesn't have the cultural heft of Cleveland or St. Louis, even.
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