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View Poll Results: Most impressive construction boom?
Miami 20 14.93%
New York 36 26.87%
Seattle 27 20.15%
Toronto 51 38.06%
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Old 01-21-2020, 10:30 AM
 
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So, are you saying that the CNN headline stating that the American Dream is much easier to get in Canada is not right?
Yes, I'm saying it's misleading clickbait. And it also has nothing to do with your argument.
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Old 01-21-2020, 10:34 AM
 
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Yes, I'm saying it's misleading clickbait. And it also has nothing to do with your argument.
Misleading because it doesn't suit your agenda?
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Old 01-21-2020, 10:35 AM
 
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The real problem is Canada's economic growth is a mirage: In 2018 (the latest data available) Canada's GDP grew by 1.8% but population grew by 1.5%. In other words, Canada's economic growth is almost entirely a result of increased immigration.
This. Canada's "economic growth" is basically a ponzi scheme of incentivizing massive Asian immigration and resource extraction. There is very little innovation or wealth-building generated by Canada. There are no great universities, no innovation clusters, no disruptive startups.

Of course, Canada has many, many positive attributes, and does many things better than the U.S. But its "growth" is a house of cards. It might be the biggest property bubble on the planet, with low wages, extreme housing costs, and a flood of Chinese/Indian immigrants keeping everything intact.

If the U.S. ever liberalized immigration policy to match Canadian levels, Canada would be in deep recession within a year. They're basically benefiting from the fact that the U.S. is in a nativist phase, so immigrants come to Canada instead.
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Old 01-21-2020, 10:37 AM
 
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Misleading because it doesn't suit your agenda?
No, misleading because the title doesn't match the article.

Title talks about American Dream. Since when has the American Dream been social mobility?
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Old 01-21-2020, 10:41 AM
 
Location: Flawduh
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And that doesn't even touch upon the fact that there has not been a single major international corporation coming from Canada since Blackberry collapsed.
Bombardier and Magna International would like to have a word with you.
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Old 01-21-2020, 10:41 AM
 
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Guys can we get back to the original topic and hold back on the personal attacks?

Not one person has even mentioned Seattle or development in other areas like roads, bridges, transit, general infrastructure, etc.
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Old 01-21-2020, 10:55 AM
 
Location: Green Country
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According to StatisticsCanada, Ontario's GDP in 2018 was $656 billion. This is for a province of 14.3 million people.

Here is the entire province of Ontario stacked up against U.S. CSAs:

(In millions)
New York: $2,001,353
Los Angeles: $1,294,402
San Francisco: $1,031,923
Washington: $780,349
Chicago: $706,628
Boston: $657,391
**ONTARIO**: $656,156
Dallas: $529,634
Philadelphia: $499,250
Houston: $487,410
**TORONTO**: $459,309
Seattle: $435,907
Atlanta: $435,553
Miami: $382,850
Detroit: $316,814

If we're generous and treat Toronto as a metro of 10 million (the Greater Greater Greater Greater Golden Horseshoe), then that's ~70% of Ontario.

If, again being generous, we assume 70% of Ontario's GDP is Greater Toronto's, then that's an economy of $459.309b

Toronto is in 10th place, and looks set to be passed by Seattle in 5 years.

The gap between Chicago and Toronto is $250 billion even though they have similar populations. And San Francisco is 2x as large with fewer people.

And this GDP includes the massive housing bubble. Imagine what happens when the household debt/housing bubble/Asian immigration ponzi scheme pops.

Toronto is closer to Seattle (a CSA of less than 5 million) than it is to any of its purported competitors.

Toronto beats Miami, which has 3 million fewer people and tons of retirees who don't contribute to GDP. I'll give it that.
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Old 01-21-2020, 10:57 AM
 
Location: sumter
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMAeg2frd8A


Nothing in North America comes even close to this place, and what's going on there now.
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Old 01-21-2020, 11:03 AM
 
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According to StatisticsCanada, Ontario's GDP in 2018 was $656 billion. This is for a province of 14.3 million people.

Here is the entire province of Ontario stacked up against U.S. CSAs:

(In millions)
New York: $2,001,353
Los Angeles: $1,294,402
San Francisco: $1,031,923
Washington: $780,349
Chicago: $706,628
Boston: $657,391
**ONTARIO**: $656,156
Dallas: $529,634
Philadelphia: $499,250
Houston: $487,410
**TORONTO**: $459,309
Seattle: $435,907
Atlanta: $435,553
Miami: $382,850
Detroit: $316,814

If we're generous and treat Toronto as a metro of 10 million (the Greater Greater Greater Greater Golden Horseshoe), then that's ~70% of Ontario.

If, again being generous, we assume 70% of Ontario's GDP is Greater Toronto's, then that's an economy of $459.309b

Toronto is in 10th place, and looks set to be passed by Seattle in 5 years.

The gap between Chicago and Toronto is $250 billion even though they have similar populations. And San Francisco is 2x as large with fewer people.

And this GDP includes the massive housing bubble. Imagine what happens when the household debt/housing bubble/Asian immigration ponzi scheme pops.

Toronto is closer to Seattle (a CSA of less than 5 million) than it is to any of its purported competitors.

Toronto beats Miami, which has 3 million fewer people and tons of retirees who don't contribute to GDP. I'll give it that.
Great GDP data, but how is this relevant to the topic of this thread? Most impressive construction boom: Toronto, New York, Miami, or Seattle?

That having a larger GDP statistically correlates to a higher volume of development and construction? By that logic, Boston and DC would both have killer skylines and transit systems by now.
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Old 01-21-2020, 11:12 AM
 
Location: Green Country
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMAeg2frd8A


Nothing in North America comes even close to this place, and what's going on there now.
Thank you! New York will have 20(!) supertalls after all current U/C projects are complete. It is surpassed only by Dubai.

And even more importantly, New York has 5 buildings over 400m in the pipeline, including a 1,556' Tower Fifth, a 1,450' 350 Park Avenue, and a 1,425' new JPMorgan Chase HQ. And this year we likely find out what will happen to the Grand Hyatt site, which is expected to surpass One Vanderbilt in height (1,500+).

With the Midtown Upzoning in place, the next decade looks very bright. I expect 30+ supertalls by 2030. If we replicate the past decade, New York could hit 40 supertalls in 15 years!

Toronto is only now building its first ("The One"). It's currently under a stop work order because they didn't do the proper paperwork lol. That tells you all you need to know about the real Skyscraper Capital.
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