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I think it's pretty clear the cities in this thread can't compete with DC proper on total development under construction or in the pipeline. DC is just on a different trajectory. As the city builds toward 1,000,000 people in 61 sq. miles with over 1,200,000 jobs in 61 sq. miles over the coming decades, the city has no choice but to Manhattanize itself in all 8 wards. I think what makes DC so dynamic in 2020 is the fact that DC has way more jobs in a 61 sq. mile footprint than almost all cities outside of NYC and Chicago but also is building towards 1,000,000 people inside city limits. To have the level of jobs DC proper has while building towards such a high population will put DC in very rare company across the world.
Although DC's boom is impressive, I will say Montreal is probably giving it competition. Given the fact that majority of the boom started in 2015/intensified in 2017 (after nearly 30 years of F*** all). You have suburbs making new downtown's, downtown core expanded and surpassed 120,000 people, you have rapid densifying areas all over the city. The island surpassed 2 million people, millions of square feet of development, dozens of mix-use developments that will add millions of square ft of residential, office, retail, schools, entertainment, etc. There's also all the towers, a brand new bridge that spans 3,400 metres, brand new Turcot interchange, a 67 km long heavy rail with a potential phase 2 starting, blue line metro expansion, the possibility of a LRT connecting downtown to the east end, a rapid bus line, a rapid bike lane system. Then there's all the new parks, murals/art, cultural institutions, etc. DC may have more U/C in square footage, but looking at it through which is more impressive, visually appealing and diverse, I think MTL takes the cake.
Although DC's boom is impressive, I will say Montreal is probably giving it competition. Given the fact that majority of the boom started in 2015/intensified in 2017 (after nearly 30 years of F*** all). You have suburbs making new downtown's, downtown core expanded and surpassed 120,000 people, you have rapid densifying areas all over the city. The island surpassed 2 million people, millions of square feet of development, dozens of mix-use developments that will add millions of square ft of residential, office, retail, schools, entertainment, etc. There's also all the towers, a brand new bridge that spans 3,400 metres, brand new Turcot interchange, a 67 km long heavy rail with a potential phase 2 starting, blue line metro expansion, the possibility of a LRT connecting downtown to the east end, a rapid bus line, a rapid bike lane system. Then there's all the new parks, murals/art, cultural institutions, etc. DC may have more U/C in square footage, but looking at it through which is more impressive, visually appealing and diverse, I think MTL takes the cake.
So, if you want to go to the suburbs, this really isn't close. Tyson's, Bethesda, Silver Spring, Pentagon City, Crystal City, Potomac Yards, Rosslyn, Ballston, Clarendon, Alexandria, National Harbor, Rockville, White Flint, Gaithersburg, Hyattsville, and Reston have more urban development in the pipeline than anywhere in America. We also have a metro system with 3-8 minute frequencies way out in the suburbs which is unique to the DC metro area. Are you familiar with the DC metropolitan area?
I’m not talking about numbers I was referencing which projects are most impressive from architectural/engineering standpoint...
Well if you're talking about a subjective criteria, I can't say anything. That is based on personal opinion and everyone is entitled to their own opinion. That will always be in the eye of the beholder. It can't be proven right or wrong. I was talking about actual data. I never debate opinions.
So, if you want to go to the suburbs, this really isn't close. Tyson's, Bethesda, Silver Spring, Pentagon City, Crystal City, Potomac Yards, Rosslyn, Ballston, Clarendon, Alexandria, National Harbor, Rockville, White Flint, Gaithersburg, Hyattsville, and Reston have more urban development in the pipeline than anywhere in America. We also have a metro system with 3-8 minute frequencies way out in the suburbs which is unique to the DC metro area. Are you familiar with the DC metropolitan area?
I am more familiar with the DC metro area than you are with Montreal, yes. Again, the DC boom is very impressive, however, you are discrediting Montreal's boom (or it definitely seems that way). Also forgot to add Royalmount project, that's a $7B+ project and also, when I mean suburbs, that is classified as on island and off island as well.
I am more familiar with the DC metro area than you are with Montreal, yes. Again, the DC boom is very impressive, however, you are discrediting Montreal's boom (or it definitely seems that way). Also forgot to add Royalmount project, that's a $7B+ project and also, when I mean suburbs, that is classified as on island and off island as well.
Well, what kind of sq. footage numbers are the suburbs building? I see you guys have named just a handlful of projects. How many millions of square feet of development is the entire 1,777 sq. mile area of the Montreal region building?
Tyson's, for instance, is the largest redevelopment project in the United States of America and maybe the world. Urban planners from all over the world are studying it because it's never been done in world history.
Well, what kind of sq. footage numbers are the suburbs building? I see you guys have named just a handlful of projects. How many millions of square feet of development is the entire 1,777 sq. mile area of the Montreal region building?
Tyson's, for instance, is the largest redevelopment project in the United States of America and maybe the world. Urban planners from all over the world are studying it because it's never been done in world history.
Unfortunately there isn't that type of data collection here outside office market reports, and even those are missing out on many details. In terms of scope, the only data for this was publications from the city of Montreal, last being November 2019 = 97 projects worth $32.4B (only within the city) and it does not include new projects worth $700M+ nor the multi-billion dollar projects in the GMA. But again, you're just talking about sq. ft of development, vs me bringing in not only real-estate projects, but transit/infra, social/cultural and green-space. All these are just as important and add more depth to a boom.
Edit: Ironically, just found data for the metropolitan area, from march 2020: 210 projects in the metropolitan area worth $43B. 97 residential projects, 82 institutional/commercial, 5 industrial and 26 roads/civil engineering. This publication also has $32B and 143 projects within the island of Montreal alone. https://cmm.qc.ca/wp-content/uploads...erspective.pdf (French only)
Unfortunately there isn't that type of data collection here outside office market reports, and even those are missing out on many details. In terms of scope, the only data for this was publications from the city of Montreal, last being November 2019 = 97 projects worth $32.4B (only within the city) and it does not include new projects worth $700M+ nor the multi-billion dollar projects in the GMA. But again, you're just talking about sq. ft of development, vs me bringing in not only real-estate projects, but transit/infra, social/cultural and green-space. All these are just as important and add more depth to a boom.
I believe the new rail project is the biggest of its kind in NA? And that’s adding to an already top-tier transit system...
I believe the new rail project is the biggest of its kind in NA? And that’s adding to an already top-tier transit system...
Second largest in NA after Vancouver (Vancouver skytrain is 79.6km) , but it is the largest U/C and once completed will be the 4th largest in the world. Even then there are talks for a phase 2 already connecting the East plus the LRT that the CAQ wants to construct between downtown and Pointe-Aux-Trembles.
Unfortunately there isn't that type of data collection here outside office market reports, and even those are missing out on many details. In terms of scope, the only data for this was publications from the city of Montreal, last being November 2019 = 97 projects worth $32.4B (only within the city) and it does not include new projects worth $700M+ nor the multi-billion dollar projects in the GMA. But again, you're just talking about sq. ft of development, vs me bringing in not only real-estate projects, but transit/infra, social/cultural and green-space. All these are just as important and add more depth to a boom.
So instead of acknowledging Montreal's impressive boom, you bombard us with almost a dozen videos... nice, maybe take it easy with the videos? lol.
Edit as I watch the videos: Okay so the two lines, one is a small expansion and the other is only 16 miles. If we also include planned, Montreal has the pink-line as well (29km length, 29 stations). Bike sharing, Montreal was the first city in North America to do it so, welcome aboard! The park is cute, but Montreal added a 450 acre park and half a dozen U/C downtown right now. the SW eco district looks a lot like the University De Montreal student dorms/neighbourhood expansion. So again, looks like Montreal does indeed compete with DC after all!
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