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The Maglev won't be here for 20 years anyway, which is what I was talking about, not next year, nor the next 5.
But it will be a lot more connection than that. Virginia is already floating the concept of MARC extending down and carrying passengers back and forth within the next 10.
If the MARC line, Acela, BWI & 3 dedicated highways can't turn them into a combined MSA now, adding a Maglev isn't going to do anything to move that ball forward.
MSA designation is all about economics, not infrastructure. DC-Baltimore's economies are simply too independent of one another hence the CSA. There would have to be a massive economic shift on Baltimores end to get a +25% commuter flow between the two primary cities.
So yes, I do agree we are talking several decades out.
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Anyway the point of the topic is there are thousands upon thousands of people arriving in the Baltimore area now, coming from points in and around DC for better COL. This isn't debatable.
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If the MARC line, Acela, BWI & 3 dedicated highways can't turn them into a combined MSA now, adding a Maglev isn't going to do anything to move that ball forward.
MSA designation is all about economics, not infrastructure. DC-Baltimore's economies are simply too independent of one another hence the CSA. There would have to be a massive economic shift on Baltimores end to get a +25% commuter flow between the two primary cities.
So yes, I do agree we are talking several decades out.
Never contested that. I agree
You're talking about where things are now. I'm talking about an increase of where everything is now over 20 years, so two different points being made. What makes an MSA on paper is the 25% commuter flow, not whether economy is central to one or two cities or not. The strength of DC's MSA economy is in NOVA, yet DC gets to claim the goods for the whole MSA. There's already a 15% commuter flow of DC and Baltimore metro areas which is why the two core cities form a CSA, so to say there would never be a chance for it to move another 10% is short sighted. Maglev and additional MARC/regional rail coverage IS a massive economic shift because of the increase connections and frequencies that it would provide, how else do you turn into an MSA? I agree it would still take a lot to combine officially however, and then you would have to get into the whole media markets, sports teams coverage etc, which could be a mess. I was just playing devil's advocate.
The bottom line relevant to this thread is, in many American cities or metro areas it's more worth it to find yourself housing or a place to live in reasonable commuting distance (45mins-1hr 30min) and pay 200/300k less than if you were right up on the core of the metro. Washington-Baltimore is just a prime example of that.
Orlando is also attracting a lot of jobs, many of them paying decent salaries. The Airport and the tax structure in Florida are major reasons.
Florida's economic model is just plain terrible and I fully anticipate the state going through its own, more severe decline than the rust belt endured. It's simply not sustainable in the long-term. Expect a lot of the suburban sprawl to become slums.
Denver burbs like Centennial are soul crushing, and not cheap either.
How is food in Denver overrated when it literally makes no top foodie city list and people consistently claim there’s not a single good place to eat in the entire city? Denver doesn’t have a highly regarded food scene at all. And suburbs are suburbs. The same can be said for most cities.
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I don't hate Denver during the summer, but other than that, don't care for it
I’m not fond of Winter either, but we get days in the upper 60s/70s (like today) from time to time so I can deal with it.
Florida's economic model is just plain terrible and I fully anticipate the state going through its own, more severe decline than the rust belt endured. It's simply not sustainable in the long-term. Expect a lot of the suburban sprawl to become slums.
Far be it for me to defend Florida but as long as it has beaches and a warm climate ,Florida like anywhere else ,will reinvent itself it gets dire. The Rust Belt has managed to have a turn around so cant see how Florida would get to a point they cant IF they do decline
How is food in Denver overrated when it literally makes no top foodie city list and people consistently claim there’s not a single good place to eat in the entire city? Denver doesn’t have a highly regarded food scene at all. And suburbs are suburbs. The same can be said for most cities.
I’m not fond of Winter either, but we get days in the upper 60s/70s (like today) from time to time so I can deal with it.
Suburbs are suburbs but some are definitely not all the same
Far be it for me to defend Florida but as long as it has beaches and a warm climate ,Florida like anywhere else ,will reinvent itself it gets dire. The Rust Belt has managed to have a turn around so cant see how Florida would get to a point they cant IF they do decline
I'll defend it. Their economy was in the toilet during the Recession, and construction Statewide ground to a halt for years. You would never know it now.
As you said, they would reinvent themselves - they've been doing it for a long time. And suburban sprawl is suburban sprawl, slums happen - and not just in Florida.
Saw that Detroit made it in the "want to move to" category. Score one for the Motor City!
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