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I know it’s early, but considering that other thread I linked to in the OP (I honestly thought it would be a closer matchup this time around): I’m surprised the poll is so lopsided. If I added back Westchester and Nassau to the discussion, would it make a huge difference?
I guess I’m surprised that NYC seems to elevate the perception of NY on this forum (at least) than Boston elevates New England.
What, apart from Boston, do people latch onto positively when thinking about New England? I guess the coast is probably a big part of it, huh?
Providence, New Haven, Beaches-cities with unique demographics/characteristics/history. Better maintained in general...
Essential goods in NY State seem expensive for consumer, too large for one state, too many depressed cities with the same nothingness going on. Lacks the cultural diversity of NJ CT MA RI once outside of NYC. The quaintness of VT ME NH isn’t quite there due to more litter and just a more vast empty feel. No RI Beaches.
I can't remember the last time I was in Buffalo, Albany, Rochester or Syracuse, but I'm pretty certain Providence, Portland, Burlington, New Haven and even Worcester are better or equal to most of those cities.
But what about the countryside? During the time I lived in Vermont, I actually enjoyed the views of the Adirondacks over the Greens or the Whites. Not to mention, the Finger Lakes region is stunning, with lots of nice small towns with still in tact downtowns.
And just to the East, you have beautiful Cooperstown.
The difference (and why NE is winning this poll so hard) is that without NYC, NY becomes something other than a coastal state, while NE doesn't skip a beat.
The difference (and why NE is winning this poll so hard) is that without NYC, NY becomes something other than a coastal state, while NE doesn't skip a beat.
Yeah If you threw NYC and Boston back into this poll, it probably would narrow a bit.
Yeah upstate New York cities are subpar when compared to Providence or Portland Me. New Haven, technically NY metro is a bit better than Syr/Roc/Alb. I lived north of Syracuse, and outside of SU parties you didnt go to Syracuse, there really wasnt a draw. Who knows .. its been 5-8 years since then, so things mighr have went up.
Again NY is one of my least favorite states by far.. so I dont know how it would compare to some of my favorite places.
Where? Also, this is likely from a college student perspective, which frankly is limited. Syracuse is probably at least on par with New Haven on an individual basis, as they are similarly sized cities.
Also, NY State outside of the NYC is not expensive and the overall cost of living in those areas are essentially around the national average, give or take. You can actually afford a home in those areas, even with the tax rates, in those areas and their location is pretty good in regards to proximity to outdoor amenities(Adirondacks, Catskills, Finger Lakes, 1000 Islands, Lake Ontario, etc.) and major cities in the Northeast, Midwest and in Canada.
I can't remember the last time I was in Buffalo, Albany, Rochester or Syracuse, but I'm pretty certain Providence, Portland, Burlington, New Haven and even Worcester are better or equal to most of those cities.
But what about the countryside? During the time I lived in Vermont, I actually enjoyed the views of the Adirondacks over the Greens or the Whites. Not to mention, the Finger Lakes region is stunning, with lots of nice small towns with still in tact downtowns.
And just to the East, you have beautiful Cooperstown.
It's a close call in my eyes
There are actually quite a few quaint small towns in other parts of Upstate NY like Clayton: https://townofclayton.com/
Where? Also, this is likely from a college student perspective, which frankly is limited. Syracuse is probably at least on par with New Haven on an individual basis, as they are similarly sized cities.
Also, NY State outside of the NYC is not expensive and the overall cost of living in those areas are essentially around the national average, give or take. You can actually afford a home in those areas, even with the tax rates, in those areas and their location is pretty good in regards to proximity to outdoor amenities(Adirondacks, Catskills, Finger Lakes, 1000 Islands, Lake Ontario, etc.) and major cities in the Northeast, Midwest and in Canada.
Since I now study the built environment of cities (Urban Planning) Im not the biggest fan of Syracuse, I do think New Haven as a whole is a step ahead in offerings. Buffalo? Completely different story. That is one of the best-designed cities from a road vantage.
However, you bring up a good point... COL. COL is significantly less in Upstate NY which is a lot of points added to NY. In some situations, places like Lake Placid or Saranac can be cheaper and better than the New England equivalents of .... Berlin NH? or Williamstown MA? (lol).
Some offerings are better in Upstate NY including Mountain towns and Natural Beauty outside the Shoreline.
However ROC and SYR both are adding a ton (+17%, +11% y/oy respectively) of STEM and high paying jobs are equated to becoming 'new mini tech hubs'. SYR Airport just had a huge airport renewal, and towns all over NY State (Oswego, Fulton, Dunkirk, etc) have won 10 Million dollar beautification awards to fix the blight in some of the most economically depressed places in Upstate. Thats a huge win for both the State of NY and the cities themselves.
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