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View Poll Results: NE (no Boston) or NY (no NYC)?
New England (no Boston) 69 75.00%
New York (no New York City) 23 25.00%
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Old 02-06-2020, 01:27 PM
 
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Basing just off the images and websites you gave PVD Fest is a lot more edgy/hip/diverse with a much wider range of ages. It has kind of a hip hop club feel at night and major public art installations. And takes up several city blocks. It concerts, acting, food, light shows,fashion etc. With Afro Carribean Flare, Folk music, and more. Its also 24/7. It's a thing millennials plan for for months in advance.

https://www.goprovidence.com/blog/post/pvdfest-2019/
https://artculturetourism.com/pvdfest-2016/
https://www.goprovidence.com/article...t-epoch-times/
https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=...AAAdAAAAABC4AQ
https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=...AAAdAAAAABC-AQ

It attracts over 100k people


https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...ature=emb_logo
Going by that video, it may actually be more in line with Syracuse's Artsweek, which has these festivals that run together all in Downtown Syracuse: https://weare.cnyarts.org/programs/a...town-syracuse/
NE Jazz & Wine - Home
Syracuse Arts & Crafts Festival | Downtown Committee of Syracuse

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-inPAIBKa8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VKPwGq9w_0
It is basically similar in that there is a range of arts based cultural events that take place.
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Old 02-06-2020, 01:27 PM
 
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New York state is beautiful but outside of Buffalo and Rochester doesn't offer near as much as the rest of New England.
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Old 02-06-2020, 01:47 PM
 
Location: Baltimore
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Going by that video, it may actually be more in line with Syracuse's Artsweek, which has these festivals that run together all in Downtown Syracuse: https://weare.cnyarts.org/programs/a...town-syracuse/
NE Jazz & Wine - Home
Syracuse Arts & Crafts Festival | Downtown Committee of Syracuse

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-inPAIBKa8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VKPwGq9w_0
It is basically similar in that there is a range of arts based cultural events that take place.
But is it 24/7? PVD fest has programming for 4 days straight with numerous after parties all related to the fest.

According to the website you gave me it draws 2x as many people as Syracuse ArtsWeek.

It’s gotta be the premier arts festival in the NY/NE outside of something in NYC.
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Old 02-06-2020, 02:02 PM
 
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But is it 24/7? PVD fest has programming for 4 days straight with numerous after parties all related to the fest.

According to the website you gave me it draws 2x as many people as Syracuse ArtsWeek.

It’s gotta be the premier arts festival in the NY/NE outside of something in NYC.
That’s just for the Arts and Crafts festival portion, if I’m not mistaken. So, I don’t think it includes the Northeast Jazz & Wine, EcoFest or the Street Painting. It isn’t 24/7, but it is called ArtsWeek for a reason.

Rochester has these festivals as well: https://rochesterjazz.com/
https://www.rocsummersoulfest.com/
http://lilacfestival.com/

Events in Albany, with list below: https://www.albany.com/event/black-a...estival-92215/

Also, here is information about the NY State Fair, which takes place in Syracuse: https://nysfair.ny.gov/

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Old 02-06-2020, 02:22 PM
 
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New York state is beautiful but outside of Buffalo and Rochester doesn't offer near as much as the rest of New England.
Just curious, but in terms of what?
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Old 02-06-2020, 02:37 PM
 
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Just curious, but in terms of what?
More urban areas for starters if we're only discluding Boston.
We have New Haven, Providence, Hartford, Portland, Springfield, Manchester

More coastline

Better schools (Massachusetts leads the nation although that might by tipped if you remove Boston, Connecticut however comes in with the highest ACT scores)

Connecticut and Rhode Island also has better weather during the winter.

All of them have amazing state parks.

Then there is rail access as well.
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Old 02-06-2020, 02:47 PM
 
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More urban areas for starters if we're only discluding Boston.
We have New Haven, Providence, Hartford, Portland, Springfield, Manchester

More coastline

Better schools (Massachusetts leads the nation although that might by tipped if you remove Boston, Connecticut however comes in with the highest ACT scores)

Connecticut and Rhode Island also has better weather during the winter.

All of them have amazing state parks.

Then there is rail access as well.
In terms of cities/areas, you could say Buffalo, Rochester, Syracuse, Albany and even add a city like Schenectady, Troy or Utica to the mix in that regard(those last 3 are similar in size to Portland).

I'll give the coastline in terms of ocean coastline, but there is plenty of shoreline in NY and with Suffolk County not excluded, you get coastline there.

CT and RI are only a portion of the New England area, but northern New England can get quite cold as well.

Schools could be debatable because the NYC system makes up a such a big portion of the of the state's results. So, that may be something to consider.

By all of them having amazing state parks, are you including NY as well?

Rail access will depend on where you are and given that the Metro North goes in to Orange and Dutchess Counties, the LIRR goes into Suffolk County, with Buffalo having its own city rail line and Amtrak access hits most of the bigger Upstate cities and has an Adirondack run, this is also debatable to possibly even going to NY in this regard.

I'm not saying one is better than the other, but a lot of these things are likely closer than given credit for.

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Old 02-06-2020, 03:48 PM
 
Location: Bergen County, New Jersey
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More urban areas for starters if we're only discluding Boston.
We have New Haven, Providence, Hartford, Portland, Springfield, Manchester

More coastline

Better schools (Massachusetts leads the nation although that might by tipped if you remove Boston, Connecticut however comes in with the highest ACT scores)

Connecticut and Rhode Island also has better weather during the winter.

All of them have amazing state parks.

Then there is rail access as well.
Boston is probably the worst school district in the state. Remove Boston and the suburbs, Pioneer Valley make up for it.

But your points are fair except the education one. Upstate NY really is the colder, more blighted and less pristine version of NE. Upstate NY probably would compare better with PA
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Old 02-06-2020, 04:54 PM
 
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Boston is probably the worst school district in the state. Remove Boston and the suburbs, Pioneer Valley make up for it.

But your points are fair except the education one. Upstate NY really is the colder, more blighted and less pristine version of NE. Upstate NY probably would compare better with PA
New England isn’t completely pristine though and has its industrial and less polished areas too. For instance, a place like even Marlborough(in town), while nice enough, isn’t what I would call “pristine”(stayed there a little bit during the summer).

Ironically, I was at an event and having a conversation with a woman from VT. She mentioned how the Northeast Kingdom of the state is poorer than say the Burlington area. So, even in New England, it appears that things can vary as well.
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Old 02-06-2020, 05:01 PM
 
Location: Medfid
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New England isn’t completely pristine though and has its industrial and less polished areas too.
In the MA vs NJ thread, people really focused on the unsavory and derelict parts of the state. All New England states have those sorts of areas to some extent, so I’m surprised they haven’t been brought up here as much.
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